Bandit 1200 clutch alternative...?

[Kamikaze]

Hiya all,

Just curious if anyone has tried replacing their bandit clutch with another model..? Im have trouble with burning out clutch plates on the B12 basket and need an alternative. Atm a Sigma or TSS slipper clutch is the way to go, but i want more surface area on my plates and less angle ramp

Ive heard SRAD 600/750 fit, and someone tried a GSXR1000 K4, but cant seem to find much in that conversion.

Anyone had any experience with it.

cheers

 

[Dezza]

I think Bow is the expert on this topic.

[spiderpig]

I've a k3 600 clutch inner I'm planning sticking in a slingshot but not got around to it yet. Looks pretty straight forward. 

[wraith]

I've got a gsxr600k4 inner hub goes  straight in and convert's it to a conventional spring clutch instead of the diaphragm clutch in my b12 engine (ported DOT head, gsxr cams, 38mm CV carbs) all in the project pages thread gsx1157et 

[Duckndive]

3 hours ago, Dezza said:

I think Bow is the expert on this topic.

Hes in Spain on his holibobs 

[clivegto]

Yea @Bowis the expert on this. I'v fitted a gsxr600/750k3 iner clutch to a outer B12 clutch basket in my Spondon project. Makes it 5 coil spring and Gsxrsam makes a lock-up for it as well. 

[dupersunc]

SNT put a gsxr 1000 slipper in there  xr69 replica. See if I can find some info. It wasnt simple.

[george 1100]

I tried a 2012 1000 clutch and it didn't fit. Conrod interfered with the basket(red arrow). Earlier model clutches look like they will work because the location of the basket  reinforcement is in a different location and shouldn't collide with the rod. Apart from swapping over the ring gear, the rest looked straight forward

Edited September 9, 2024 by george 1100

[dupersunc]

If you read the other threads loosely related to this, during last years Classic TT we used a Sigma slipper clutch, however before ordering it we spoke to Neil Spalding to ask if it would work on the island, we told him our torque figures, he umed and arrred a bit then more or less said no, BUT if you can fit a K4 clutch to it it will deffo work, anyhow it didn't the clutch is what in the end let up down, don't get me wrong I'm not knocking it, it worked ok for about 40 laps at Oulton Park in test and may well work on a normal circuit but the TT course in not normal.

So we now make our own billet basket, this utilises K9 internals and plates married to the Bandits primary, this is currently untested, but we think it will be a better solution, if we ever get let out of the gage again we can find out...........   

[Kamikaze]

17 hours ago, wraith said:

I've got a gsxr600k4 inner hub goes  straight in and convert's it to a conventional spring clutch instead of the diaphragm clutch in my b12 engine (ported DOT head, gsxr cams, 38mm CV carbs) all in the project pages thread gsx1157et 

Thanks Wraith, ill look that up

 

[Kamikaze]

10 hours ago, dupersunc said:

If you read the other threads loosely related to this, during last years Classic TT we used a Sigma slipper clutch, however before ordering it we spoke to Neil Spalding to ask if it would work on the island, we told him our torque figures, he umed and arrred a bit then more or less said no, BUT if you can fit a K4 clutch to it it will deffo work, anyhow it didn't the clutch is what in the end let up down, don't get me wrong I'm not knocking it, it worked ok for about 40 laps at Oulton Park in test and may well work on a normal circuit but the TT course in not normal.

So we now make our own billet basket, this utilises K9 internals and plates married to the Bandits primary, this is currently untested, but we think it will be a better solution, if we ever get let out of the gage again we can find out...........   

Ahhhhh very interesting, might have to give them a call and find out, thanks for that Duncan. good info

[Kamikaze]

Thankyou all for the info, i have gathered what i need to try a few alternatives.... we'll see which works best for nxt years track season

[Tony Nitrous]

I ended up going back to a set of new genuine Suzuki plates and 2 heavy duty springs. Even with a lot of abuse and a 60 shot of non progressive nitrous mine was fine, other than being hard work and heavy at the lever.

I know “back in the day” GSXR coil spring conversions were a thing and not that rare, I looked into it. 
 

https://oldskoolsuzuki.info/archives/218

Edited December 29, 2024 by Tony Nitrous

[Upshotknothole]

Any idea if those parts are still available today?

[Markz9]

14 hours ago, Upshotknothole said:

Any idea if those parts are still available today?

The inner hub is not available and have been off the suz spares list for about 4 years unfortunately 

[Upshotknothole]

4 minutes ago, Markz9 said:

The inner hub is not available and have been off the suz spares list for about 4 years unfortunately 

Figures, I've got the baskets but no inner hubs.

[Kamikaze]

On 12/29/2024 at 11:45 PM, Tony Nitrous said:

I ended up going back to a set of new genuine Suzuki plates and 2 heavy duty springs. Even with a lot of abuse and a 60 shot of non progressive nitrous mine was fine, other than being hard work and heavy at the lever.

I know “back in the day” GSXR coil spring conversions were a thing and not that rare, I looked into it. 
 

https://oldskoolsuzuki.info/archives/218

Yeah i read all that, i have all the parts and will be testing a few different versions of baskets nxt year.

[Gsxrsam]

the cheap way is use the  clutch from 1100m/n.

same as bandit but 10mm bigger if i remember right......

[wraith]

Biggest problem with any of the oil cooled engine clutch's now, is they are all getting a bit worn and most if not all have the horrible grooves in them.

Be nice if Mr Suzuki put a clutch in a later WC model that also fits the OC engine 

[clivegto]

1 hour ago, wraith said:

Biggest problem with any of the oil cooled engine clutch's now, is they are all getting a bit worn and most if not all have the horrible grooves in them.

Be nice if Mr Suzuki put a clutch in a later WC model that also fits the OC engine 

He did, gsxr600/750k3 

[wraith]

3 hours ago, clivegto said:

He did, gsxr600/750k3 

Sorry, must of missed read.

Thought that was just the hub not the complete clutch? 

[clivegto]

1 hour ago, wraith said:

Sorry, must of missed read.

Thought that was just the hub not the complete clutch? 

Yea fair point but there is more chance of finding a good B12 basket as they made them until 2007.

[wraith]

30 minutes ago, clivegto said:

Yea fair point but there is more chance of finding a good B12 basket as they made them until 2007.

Very true  but you know use OSS lot, if we can fit something from a different model fair game 

Edited Friday at 05:56 PM by wraith
Add a bit

[Duckndive]

I,ve used a 1100 water boiler basket in a bandit bitsa motor with a coil spring hub 

[clivegto]

21 hours ago, Duckndive said:

I,ve used a 1100 water boiler basket in a bandit bitsa motor with a coil spring hub 

Did it need any modification?