kiwisuzuki1100nz Posted February 3, 2020 Posted February 3, 2020 Anyone had better luck with the lying the engine on the side and lowering the frame over it? Just tried a trolley jack with bike in rear stand and it is a complete bastard to try and get back in as the engine wants to fall forward. Hence why I am keen to try the engine on its side and lower the frame on to it Quote
370steve Posted February 3, 2020 Posted February 3, 2020 thats how i do it, engine on its side on floor, lift frame onto it, bolt up, stand up Quote
Oilyspanner Posted February 3, 2020 Posted February 3, 2020 The last time I put the engine back in I put the engine on a wooden frame, sat that on a platform Jack and that sat on a skateboard ... it worked a treat, the skateboard allowed me to move the engine around to line up the mounts - the lower rear mount with the spacer can be a pig. 1 Quote
Gixer1460 Posted February 3, 2020 Posted February 3, 2020 Sounds complicated! My method - Get a mate or two & bribe with beer - lift engine into frame upright - fit a couple of mounting bolts - drink beer! 4 Quote
bluedog59 Posted February 3, 2020 Posted February 3, 2020 8 minutes ago, Gixer1460 said: Sounds complicated! My method - Get a mate or two & bribe with beer - lift engine into frame upright - fit a couple of mounting bolts - drink beer! NOTE. Drink beer after engine is fitted. 1 Quote
fatblokeonbandit Posted February 3, 2020 Posted February 3, 2020 so much easier to lift frame over engine, and if you are in a hurry you don't even need to remove the front and rear ends. I did have to get a fat mate to help with this method though 1 Quote
Dezza Posted February 3, 2020 Posted February 3, 2020 I want to know how the engines were installed into the frame when the bikes were built in the factory. This would give a massive clue as to the easiest way. Maybe this also goes some way to explaining why the slabside 1100 has a removable frame section and the 750 doesn't. Quote
wraith Posted February 3, 2020 Posted February 3, 2020 Get two mates and lots of beer, you drink beer they put engine in, easy 4 Quote
Ivan Posted February 3, 2020 Posted February 3, 2020 10 hours ago, Oilyspanner said: The last time I put the engine back in I put the engine on a wooden frame, sat that on a platform Jack and that sat on a skateboard ... it worked a treat, the skateboard allowed me to move the engine around to line up the mounts - the lower rear mount with the spacer can be a pig. Unable to weld I used same strategy 2 Quote
Poldark Posted February 4, 2020 Posted February 4, 2020 15 hours ago, Dezza said: I want to know how the engines were installed into the frame when the bikes were built in the factory. This would give a massive clue as to the easiest way. Maybe this also goes some way to explaining why the slabside 1100 has a removable frame section and the 750 doesn't. While the factory method may be interesting to us, I don't think it really applies to us. The factory can dedicate lots of resources up front to facilitate a process which will be performed thousands of times. Only the most dedicated OSS members do more engine install jobs in a lifetime than the factory does in a day. 1 Quote
kiwisuzuki1100nz Posted February 4, 2020 Author Posted February 4, 2020 20 hours ago, bluedog59 said: NOTE. Drink beer after engine is fitted. mmmmMMM Beer 1 Quote
Shill Posted February 5, 2020 Posted February 5, 2020 On 2/3/2020 at 12:36 PM, Dezza said: I want to know how the engines were installed into the frame when the bikes were built in the factory. This would give a massive clue as to the easiest way. Maybe this also goes some way to explaining why the slabside 1100 has a removable frame section and the 750 doesn't. I guess they must have hundreds of mates and shitloads of beer? 7 Quote
Ronny Posted February 6, 2020 Posted February 6, 2020 8 hours ago, Shill said: I guess they must have hundreds of mates and shitloads of beer? Takes something special to make me laugh this early in the morning! 1 Quote
kiwisuzuki1100nz Posted February 7, 2020 Author Posted February 7, 2020 (edited) Found this handy. Edited February 7, 2020 by kiwisuzuki1100nz Quote
kiwisuzuki1100nz Posted February 7, 2020 Author Posted February 7, 2020 (edited) Got the job done using a combination of ratchets ties down from ceiling beam and a trolley jack. Was a darn site easier than trying to muscle it in with just the trolley jack. Edited February 7, 2020 by kiwisuzuki1100nz 1 Quote
wraith Posted February 7, 2020 Posted February 7, 2020 (edited) Look at the replys seems the main thing you need is beer Or is that to help stop the pain when you drop the engine on your toe Edited February 7, 2020 by wraith Add a bit 3 Quote
kiwisuzuki1100nz Posted February 8, 2020 Author Posted February 8, 2020 Ahh so I did screw it up. Not enough beer 1 Quote
Reinhoud Posted February 8, 2020 Posted February 8, 2020 On 2/3/2020 at 5:02 PM, kiwisuzuki1100nz said: Anyone had better luck with the lying the engine on the side and lowering the frame over it? Just tried a trolley jack with bike in rear stand and it is a complete bastard to try and get back in as the engine wants to fall forward. Hence why I am keen to try the engine on its side and lower the frame on to it That's the best way. Quote
Duckndive Posted February 8, 2020 Posted February 8, 2020 (edited) On 2/3/2020 at 12:36 PM, Dezza said: I want to know how the engines were installed into the frame when the bikes were built in the factory. This would give a massive clue as to the easiest way. Maybe this also goes some way to explaining why the slabside 1100 has a removable frame section and the 750 doesn't. Well i've not visited Hamatsu i have visited Triumph at Hinckley and many car assembly lines ££££ for tooling and mechanical aids is mega Trumpit use a lifer on the engine mounts to position the engine in frame that's almost effortless so given the little slight build of most Jap workers i would expect they use similar tactics and the removable frame rail helps the process "it may even be attached to the engine prior to fitting" Most of the newer buses and thous are simple drop frame over the motor builds so even simpler tooling wise Small side note a senior engineer responsible for training line workers at a major uk car plant told me the task has to be able to be learnt and be repeatable to the correct standard in 20 mins ............. Track speed is based on the slowest process on that build Edited February 8, 2020 by Duckndive 1 Quote
stellafella Posted February 8, 2020 Posted February 8, 2020 I lay the engine on a couple old tyres and lift the frame over. Quote
Duckndive Posted February 8, 2020 Posted February 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, stellafella said: I lay the engine on a couple old tyres and lift the frame over. Just done that on the Zuma 1 Quote
Poldark Posted February 8, 2020 Posted February 8, 2020 5 hours ago, Duckndive said: Well i've not visited Hamatsu i have visited Triumph at Hinckley and many car assembly lines ££££ for tooling and mechanical aids is mega Trumpit use a lifer on the engine mounts to position the engine in frame that's almost effortless so given the little slight build of most Jap workers i would expect they use similar tactics and the removable frame rail helps the process "it may even be attached to the engine prior to fitting" Most of the newer buses and thous are simple drop frame over the motor builds so even simpler tooling wise Small side note a senior engineer responsible for training line workers at a major uk car plant told me the task has to be able to be learnt and be repeatable to the correct standard in 20 mins ............. Track speed is based on the slowest process on that build Slight build of the workers? No, they employ former sumo wrestlers who can manhandle the engines into place and provide them with loads of beer. Or not. Any modern manufacturer, including Suzuki, will use methods like the ones you just described. Quote
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