Clutch woes

[gsx]

Right gents been tearing me hair out with this one .

I have a very posh 16 mm remote res clutch lever linked up to a mk 2 bandit sprocket cover and slave, its always dragged with lever pulled in when in gear .

Stripped it all down to change the shite sweating res hose, pulled the slave apart to inspect that and all good , bled it to death too. 100 mm pushrod, tried 110 but far to long . Issue is it doesn't activate the clutch at all , well about a mm . With the cover off again the slave only moves about 2 mm per lever pull.

Options as i see them are try bandit res or cable clutch . Sorry for the long ramble , any thoughts appreciated 

 

[fatblokeonbandit]

Stick the correct master on there, if it works right away, throw “posh” one in canal and use the bandit one

[gsx]

3 minutes ago, fatblokeonbandit said:

Stick the correct master on there, if it works right away, throw “posh” one in canal and use the bandit one

Was thinking the same , mates got a complete setup i can try 

[fatblokeonbandit]

I can’t remember exactly but the push rod length isn’t 100 mm in a bamdit!

80 mm rings a bell somewherI’m  on hols atm but can check when I get home

[Pegleg]

Had similar issue with my 1200. Had 600 pushrod fitted, the one through the gearbox shaft, which was too short. Has the clutch ever worked properly? 

[gsx]

5 hours ago, Pegleg said:

Had similar issue with my 1200. Had 600 pushrod fitted, the one through the gearbox shaft, which was too short. Has the clutch ever worked properly? 

Yeah sort of but dragged when stationery in gear , just tried  14 mm gsxr res but couldn't be arsed to bleed it through . Put the posh one back on  and on as sprocket cover is  off and laid flat have noticed fluid seeping from slave . Gonna order a new seal . Its on a gsxr 11 by the way and did i mention brake fluid makes me rollies taste rank !

[Joseph]

5 hours ago, fatblokeonbandit said:

I can’t remember exactly but the push rod length isn’t 100 mm in a bamdit!

80 mm rings a bell somewherI’m  on hols atm but can check when I get home

92 mm on B12 B6

[Joseph]

@gsxwhat engine and year is this you're trying to set up ?

[gsx]

It's a 1127 gsxr with mk 2 bandit sprocket and slave cover , the one with the speedo sensor , 100 mm is about right for the push rod , if it was 80 be way to short , tried 110 and couldn't get the cover on, should just be able to see fluid leak 

[Joseph]

101.5mm is the length of the rod on the last of the 1127R (91-92)

[gsx]

27 minutes ago, Joseph said:

101.5mm is the length of the rod on the last of the 1127R (91-92)

Nice one ,I'll cut one down , ruined a perfectly good screwdriver for other pushrod , same diameter 

[Joseph]

56 minutes ago, gsx said:

Nice one ,I'll cut one down , ruined a perfectly good screwdriver for other pushrod , same diameter 

Haha. Yeah i did the same.

I have a GSXF 1100 with 750 box and slabside clutch with mk2 bandit sprocket cover, it took a bit of testing but ended up being the 101.5 rod.

GSXFs and Bandits, 7R and slabside 11 use a 92mm, so no idea why i didn't need that one, however, After much testing it it is clear that the total length of the whole system including disc stack height needs to be spot on

[Dezza]

Flog fancy master cylinder and then fit cable conversion

[gsx]

1 hour ago, Dezza said:

Flog fancy master cylinder and then fit cable conversion

It's getting one more chance , ordered new seal  and metal plate to keep crap out as it was missing .

Maybe in  the for sale and wanted sections next week 

[clivegto]

On 9/13/2023 at 9:03 PM, gsx said:

by the way and did i mention brake fluid makes me rollies taste rank !

 You have now 

I've cut down drill bits to make push rods before 

Recon the seal will fix it 

[gsx]

1 hour ago, clivegto said:

 You have now 

I've cut down drill bits to make push rods before 

Recon the seal will fix it 

Hope so mate, picked up a tube of red rubber goo yesterday in readiness 

[clivegto]

58 minutes ago, gsx said:

Hope so mate, picked up a tube of red rubber goo yesterday in readiness 

I had a similar problem on the Scratcher a couple of years ago even fitted a new clutch stack soon as I replaced the slave seal all was good. 

[gsx]

That's good to hear , bits should be here today 

[GeorgeEI7KO]

37 minutes ago, gsx said:

That's good to hear , bits should be here today 

Just make sure to tighten everything proper Jay......

[Duckndive]

Given all the probs folk seem to have with the Hydraulic Operation 

I'm thankful I've always used cable operation on oil boilers 

[TonyGee]

9 minutes ago, Duckndive said:

Given all the probs folk seem to have with the Hydraulic Operation 

I'm thankful I've always used cable operation on oil boilers 

I prefer a cable over fluid, will convert my zed project bike to cable at some point. 

[gsx]

1 hour ago, GeorgeEI7KO said:

Just make sure to tighten everything proper Jay......

Lol, bought a crankcase breather , think that may have been the issue ,fingers crossed 

[Gixer1460]

1 hour ago, Duckndive said:

Given all the probs folk seem to have with the Hydraulic Operation 

I'm thankful I've always used cable operation on oil boilers 

I've never had a problem, even swapping diaphragm to spring and spring with lock-ups - fill. bleed, work! Only thing I needed to do with clutch swap is add a 6mm ball bearing over the push rod - couldn't be arsed to make a new one as it just worked!

[Duckndive]

2 minutes ago, Gixer1460 said:

 Only thing I needed to do with clutch swap is add a 6mm ball bearing over the push rod - couldn't be arsed to make a new one as it just worked!

Yeap used the 6mm ball bearing trick many times  

[TonyGee]

40 minutes ago, Duckndive said:

Yeap used the 6mm ball bearing trick many times  

I wonder why they dropped the ball bearing thing ? probably about cost