riversbikes Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 Considering buying a top end oiling kit for my track/race Bandit 1200. Something from Holeshot performance on this side of the pond... question though -- is it necessary? The bike will be run 5-6 weekends a year, with the odd weekend as "hot" -- 30+ degrees C. Track sessions are between 20-30 minutes long, and aside from a stint during an endurance race of at the most, 40-45 minutes, the bike won't be ridden hard for any great length of time. I already have an aftermarket oil cooler installed, and the bike is otherwise stock aside from carbs and exhaust. I like the idea of extra lubrication where needed as a preventative measure, but as usual the interweb opinions are divided on whether the modification is useful on even highly tuned engines. Thoughts??? Quote Link to comment
colinworth79 Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 You can't have too big an oil cooler on these engines. Easy enough to buy the bits on the web rather than a complete kit. Quote Link to comment
jonny1bump Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 Your not talking extra cooling are you but the load rubbish cam to cam oil links. If so why and no. If talking extra cooling i.e. head cooling oil cooler then yes. Quote Link to comment
riversbikes Posted January 13, 2019 Author Share Posted January 13, 2019 This is what I was referring to. Already have a larger oil cooler fitted. Yay or nay? Quote Link to comment
wraith Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 Can't see why not to put one on, will not harm. Miss W. has the same sort of thing on her road going gsxr1127, never had any issues with it. You will get some saying no way and some like myself who say why not, the oil cooled motors have a very good oil pressure/oil pump, so you're not doing any harm. Quote Link to comment
jonny1bump Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 Why oh why are we intent on taking pump oil presured circuit and throw it into the cooling circuit makes no sense. The cams are last item to receive oil as it is and do like to chew up over time as it is, yet you want to actually reduce the pressure even more. Some crazy peeps out there. 2 Quote Link to comment
jonny1bump Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 The oil kits belong on same shelf as the red Chinese levers. Ok for the trailer queens. You dont see any of the Yoshi race bikes with this stuff on, for good reason. Quote Link to comment
jonny1bump Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 Running big blocks is different story altogether then you got to feed oil from somewhere but then I would go main gallery with restrictors. Plenty on here have done this. Quote Link to comment
dupersunc Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 As has been said, cam links are a waste of time. A cylinder head cooler plumbed into the Y pipe on the back of the block and cam cover is a must on a race bike. 1 Quote Link to comment
R1guy Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 12 minutes ago, dupersunc said: A cylinder head cooler plumbed into the Y pipe on the back of the block and cam cover is a must on a race bike. Got any good pics of this setup? - I’d like to do something like this on the Kat Quote Link to comment
riversbikes Posted January 13, 2019 Author Share Posted January 13, 2019 1 hour ago, dupersunc said: As has been said, cam links are a waste of time. A cylinder head cooler plumbed into the Y pipe on the back of the block and cam cover is a must on a race bike. Thanks -- this is the information I was looking for. Won't do it! Quote Link to comment
vizman Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 8 hours ago, R1guy said: Got any good pics of this setup? - I’d like to do something like this on the Kat look at fatblokes teapot build for a recent one Quote Link to comment
MeanBean49 Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Those cam links are utterly useless, im pretty sure they actually do the opposite of what you think, reduce the oil pressure supplied to the crank and cams. Best thing for cooling is a big main cooler and a second cooler tlin the supply line to the head as people have said previoisly Quote Link to comment
Gixer1460 Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 9 hours ago, riversbikes said: Thanks -- this is the information I was looking for. Won't do it! Psssst - the most powerful GSXR based proper streetbike in Europe has top end link bars...................just sayin' like! 2 Quote Link to comment
MeanBean49 Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Gixer1460 said: Psssst - the most powerful GSXR based proper streetbike in Europe has top end link bars...................just sayin' like! Link bars without the feed from cam cover bolt? Edited January 14, 2019 by MeanBean49 Quote Link to comment
MeanBean49 Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Drawing I did a while ago. Quote Link to comment
jonny1bump Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, Gixer1460 said: Psssst - the most powerful GSXR based proper streetbike in Europe has top end link bars...................just sayin' like! Probably load of other stuff hidden away as well that we would not know. Perhaps they just put on for bling and actually blocked off to throw competition, seen similar things done before. You never what secrets go on in those closed shed doors. It's only running quarter and has rebuild all time anyhow oh cam wear let's just try another set something else sir. Edited January 14, 2019 by jonny1bump Quote Link to comment
wraith Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 I take it you don't like cam links then @jonny1bump 1 Quote Link to comment
Gixer1460 Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 1 hour ago, jonny1bump said: Probably load of other stuff hidden away as well that we would not know. Perhaps they just put on for bling and actually blocked off to throw competition, seen similar things done before. You never what secrets go on in those closed shed doors. It's only running quarter and has rebuild all time anyhow oh cam wear let's just try another set something else sir. Nothing hidden - all was visible for all to see! Nothing bling, and nothing there that didn't serve a purpose! It's not a competition bike - if you read the statement correctly - its a STREET BIKE ie. MOT'd, Tax'd and Tested - when i'm bothered! And the last statement proves you don't know it and that it is still running without any replacement parts although it is currently not in max. output configuration! Quote Link to comment
Duckndive Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 36 minutes ago, Gixer1460 said: Nothing hidden - all was visible for all to see! Nothing bling, and nothing there that didn't serve a purpose! It's not a competition bike - if you read the statement correctly - its a STREET BIKE ie. MOT'd, Tax'd and Tested - when i'm bothered! And the last statement proves you don't know it and that it is still running without any replacement parts although it is currently not in max. output configuration! Oooh you tease IAN Quote Link to comment
jonny1bump Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 1 hour ago, wraith said: I take it you don't like cam links then @jonny1bump Pointless tat. Quote Link to comment
jonny1bump Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 (edited) Oh suit you sir Ian. When you said street bike I presume you were talking about super street lines, racing machinery not a streetfighter or something. Also looking at your reaction seems like you are bothered have you got a handbag full of cam links or something. Yeah I ain't got a scooby with bike your on about not in Ian's world. Also link bars or linked to cam cover as asked prior. Makes a difference as your are fully aware. Edited January 14, 2019 by jonny1bump Quote Link to comment
wraith Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Wether they do the job or not, you like them or you don't never seen any warnings on them saying, use may course damage to engine. Quote Link to comment
jonny1bump Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Still does not change facts see Mr Beans drawing points it out in pics rather then words. Quote Link to comment
jonny1bump Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, wraith said: Wether they do the job or not, you like them or you don't never seen any warnings on them saying, use may course damage to engine. Wraith you like and you got them thats fine by me like 6 inch heels pointless but on the right set legs stunning. 2 Quote Link to comment
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