GS engine strip a go go

[treephoenix]

Well, 10 hours with parts washer n toothbrush. Not found anything too scary.

Though the sump did kinda worry me, strainer totally utterly rammed n a couple of crankcase lodgers!!! 

Anyone got any idea on the bit of ally? Fooked if I can see any webs/fins or similar broken. 

Gotta pick up a 32mm socket for clutch centre, then I can totally split the crank n maybe I'll see where it's from.

15 years on my mates bench n everything looks well up to now. 

I know what your thinking " how can all be well if they fell outta bottom of crank?". Yep that's what I thought but fingers crossed 

 

Edited October 2, 2016 by treephoenix
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[bluedog59]

I've got a 32 mm. I'll put it and the big breaker bar in the car so text me during the day to remind me to drop it round.

PS, Remember to post pictures, we like pictures on here. 

[treephoenix]

2 hours ago, bluedog59 said:

I've got a 32 mm. I'll put it and the big breaker bar in the car so text me during the day to remind me to drop it round.

PS, Remember to post pictures, we like pictures on here. 

Ok, cool.

I somehow managed to post twice n there's a picture on the other post.....D'oh!

I'm blaming the phone. 

[treephoenix]

[Markz9]

that stickey black stuff is the clutch friction plates

[Jonboy]

9 hours ago, treephoenix said:

Ok, cool.

I somehow managed to post twice n there's a picture on the other post.....D'oh!

I'm blaming the phone. 

The bit of casting looks like the remains of an oil filler cap, the one that sits on top of the clutch cover.......+1 for the black shite on the strainer being clutch debris

[Captain Chaos]

1 hour ago, Jonboy said:

The bit of casting looks like the remains of an oil filler cap

nah... oil filler cap has 'use SAE 10W40' writen on it.

[treephoenix]

It's very light and when I got into the crankcase there looked to be a piece of the same material which myself n Bluedog thought may fit onto the bottom of the long cam chain slipper.  Everything in there looks OK though. Nothing nasty

Would post a pic of the bit Bluedog n I found but can't pissing find it.

My phone camera is pretty shite really but all looks well with bottom end.

Now to get things to the polisher n decide what I'm actually doing. I am definitely painting motor black n know prep is key. Question is before I get to it do I try vapour blasting or do I d.i.y soda blast?

Anyone? 

 

[treephoenix]

Hours of scraping, parts bath n pressure washing........vapour blast? 

Though I've owned n maintained shit loads of bikes......Yes mainly big Suzukis......this is my first full build of a 4 engine.

Anything common with these and anything I should pay particular attention to?

Thanks in advance peeps 

[Nick_C_Hotrods]

On 10/3/2016 at 0:03 PM, Jonboy said:

The bit of casting looks like the remains of an oil filler cap, the one that sits on top of the clutch cover.......+1 for the black shite on the strainer being clutch debris

Looks like a filler cap to me too, HTF did it get down the motor!  ?

[treephoenix]

I didn't think it was filler cap but kept quiet til I'd ripped it all down. 

At the bottom of cam chain gallery under bottom cam chain sprocket there is a small aluminium guide that sits on 2 posts.It was that, smashed to bits. No sign of any other damage. 

[strima]

Fucking lucky there's no other damage!!!

[treephoenix]

11 minutes ago, strima said:

11 minutes ago, strima said:

 

Yeah that's what I thought dude. Have you felt the weight of one of those bottom guides though?  So so light, it weighs so little, few fag papers kinda weight.  part came out in sump pan n the rest just sat in bottom casing. 

[strima]

2 hours ago, treephoenix said:

 

The god of speed was smiling upon you!!! 

[treephoenix]

Just got in from shed after ripping down engine 2 a bit more. Split crank to find a perfectly intact bottom guide sat in place. Sorry if I'm being a bit basic fellas but this is my first full four pot Suzuki build, many of you probably seen loads of these guides........represents one less worry for me atm ;-)

[treephoenix]

As it should be

[Swiss Toni]

Strange that the PO stripped the motor right down to renew smashed guide, and didn't find debris in sump???

[matt]

I remember the first time I stripped down my EFE engine, that had a broken bottom guide. I can only assume it gets smashed if the cam chain goes slack.

[Gammaboy]

34 minutes ago, matt said:

I remember the first time I stripped down my EFE engine, that had a broken bottom guide. I can only assume it gets smashed if the cam chain goes slack.

turning it over with the cams out, or dropping a nut down the cam chain tunnel will do it.

[treephoenix]

I can't see anything wrong anywhere apart from the broken guide.

Po pulled top end off n it sat on his bench for years n I kept bugging him til he eventually let me have it back. 

I've been spending my time looking for tank........fruitless, ridiculous and frustrating. 

May have to look foralternatives!

[treephoenix]

Movement very slow.  work commitments are stealing my time but am stockpiling bits.

Edited November 16, 2016 by treephoenix
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[vizman]

like the man says......one piece at a time

[KATANAMANGLER]

On 17/10/2016 at 11:57 PM, Gammaboy said:

turning it over with the cams out, or dropping a nut down the cam chain tunnel will do it.

or a cam cap dowel...

Been there done that.

[treephoenix]

14 hours ago, vizman said:

like the man says......one piece at a time

Slow moving here viz, tho earlier I took motor back out n swinger off.  Ready to take frame for blasting