Clive's JMC Frame

[clivegto]

5 hours ago, Duckndive said:

 

Needs to have the Bus motor it was made for 

 

Do you think this one was built for a busa origanly ? 

[Paulm]

2 hours ago, imago said:

No doubt you could get the power, but it really wouldn't be the cheapest way to do it even using SH parts and doing all the work yourself. You need way more to add 200 hp to an oil boiler than you do 100 to a water cooled lump.

All the work to add 100 hp to a water cooled engine is external, and that's just turbo and ecu.

To add 200 to an oil boiler it's pistons, rods, head work, case studs/bolts, adapt it for injection with all the sensors etc, add on the ecu and wiring, along with additional cooling for the induction as well as the engine itself, fuel pump and lines, additional oil lines. Then you still have to add the turbo on top as per the water cooled.

You can run 300bhp on carbs and without any head work and oil boilers are easy on the eye,as are aircooled motors,busa motor be fun though,just not as nice looking in my view.

[Duckndive]

42 minutes ago, clivegto said:

 

Do you think this one was built for a busa originally ? 

that's what Jason said from the info he got  and looking at the top engine mounts could well be 

[imago]

9 minutes ago, Paulm said:

You can run 300bhp on carbs and without any head work and oil boilers are easy on the eye,as are aircooled motors,busa motor be fun though,just not as nice looking in my view.

Clive mentioned the injection, so I was doing a like for like comparison. I get that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but unless the eyes you're referring to belong to Marty Feldman you're really reaching with the look of an oil boiler. 

All that aside, and the "I built one in the past" or "I've got the stock to build one" I stand by my conviction on cost vs power when you're above the 250 hp mark. Put a shopping list together today, to build a 300 hp engine from scratch and you'll need more money to do it starting with an oil cooled engine than you will a water cooled engine. 

[clivegto]

18 minutes ago, Duckndive said:

that's what Jason said from the info he got  and looking at the top engine mounts could well be 

Jason mentioned he would have liked to fit a busa motor but not that it was designed for one to me. I had noticed the front engine mount points look like they would be to mount busa motor but when I looked again there about the same as Spikes one. 

[Duckndive]

15 minutes ago, clivegto said:

Jason mentioned he would have liked to fit a busa motor but not that it was designed for one to me. I had noticed the front engine mount points look like they would be to mount busa motor but when I looked again there about the same as Spikes one. 

Oooh right mixed messages 

[clivegto]

Strangely the log book says Suzuki 1154cc and was first registered in 1990.

[Dezza]

4 hours ago, clivegto said:

Strangely the log book says Suzuki 1154cc and was first registered in 1990.

Similar to most non-Q reg kit frame bikes then

Edited November 4 by Dezza

[dupersunc]

Yamaha r6 motor?

 

 

 

Wait, what are you doing to me, put me down, and why have you got that tub of vaselene.

[clivegto]

Was told a ZX10b fuel tank would fit so I bought a dirt cheap one and guess what, it don't .  

[clivegto]

Slingshot tank for perspective.  

[dupersunc]

Fzr1000 tank?

[clivegto]

36 minutes ago, dupersunc said:

Fzr1000 tank?

I do have an old fighterd Thunderrace sat in the shed but I recon it's unlikely the tank will be any where near close as like the 1000k1 frame I have which I've toyed with the idea of fitting an oil boiler engine to these which would need the frames opening up. This frame was obviously built to accommodate gsx, gsxr or big Z. Ti's hunge across the frame spars like the Soondon. 

Edited November 7 by clivegto

[Duckndive]

Have you tried the busa tank ? 

[Dezza]

My old (previously leaky) Spondon ally tank may fit . It'll definitely be wide enough. It doesn't fit on my subframe anymore so I'm not going to be needing it. It's a fairly nice wall ornament and will never be more than that to me. My guess though is unless you're really lucky, you may have to bite-the-bullet and have a tank made to fit the frame.

Edited November 8 by Dezza

[clivegto]

6 hours ago, Duckndive said:

Have you tried the busa tank ? 

Yes also too small and wrong shap. 

 

5 hours ago, Dezza said:

My old (previously leaky) Spondon ally tank may fit . It'll definitely be wide enough. It doesn't fit on my subframe anymore so I'm not going to be needing it. It's a fairly nice wall ornament and will never be more than that to me. My guess though is unless you're really lucky, you may have to bite-the-bullet and have a tank made to fit the frame.

Could I maybe borrow that at some point. 

[SiBag]

@clivegtoyou could try asking Zepp aka Jason Flather what may fit, im sure he has a JMC frame.

[clivegto]

13 minutes ago, SiBag said:

@clivegtoyou could try asking Zepp aka Jason Flather what may fit, im sure he has a JMC frame.

He thought the ZX10b tank fitted. 

[imago]

4 minutes ago, clivegto said:

He thought the ZX10b tank fitted. 

Can you put up a measurement across the spars? I have an 1100G tank here I can measure and they're massive and look to have a similar slope profile.

[clivegto]

1100 power screen don't fit either.   

[imago]

The G is 19" at the widest part, 12" at the narrowest (rear) and 29" tip to tail. So it's not going to work unfortunately.

I suppose you could go for a fuel cell and then make up or have made a fibreglass cover?

[Dezza]

2 hours ago, clivegto said:

Yes also too small and wrong shap. 

 

Could I maybe borrow that at some point. 

Sure no problem.

[Duckndive]

3 hours ago, clivegto said:

1100 power screen don't fit either. 

Tank would be a nice project for Kev Kent 

[R1guy]

On 11/3/2024 at 8:13 AM, clivegto said:

This is languishing in a mates barn .

Think it’s a custom tank

[Dezza]

11 minutes ago, Duckndive said:

Tank would be a nice project for Kev Kent 

Kev made the filler cap ring I had welded into my fancy new tank.