Pbc_18 Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 (edited) Anyone running a lithium battery on their old oil boiler succesfully? I have a 1986 1100 and heard they are infamous for over charging. I any one is let me know what you had to do to make it work. Edited June 11 by Pbc_18 Quote Link to comment
Upshotknothole Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 Check the charging mod thread in this section. People do run them on old GSXRs. Quote Link to comment
Dezza Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 Replace all the wiring and check the alternator (they come apert easily). A real time volt meter helps too. The problems are more apparent with aircooled bikes. Oilcooled have a more sophisticated charging system. Quote Link to comment
SiBag Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 A decent battery should have its own charging circuit to prevent over charging and ballance the cells. Quote Link to comment
PaintItBlack Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 (edited) 10 hours ago, Pbc_18 said: Anyone running a lithium battery on their old oil boiler succesfully? I have a 1986 1100 and heard they are infamous for over charging. I any one is let me know what you had to do to make it work. I’ve been running a lithium battery on my ‘99 1200 bandit for over 6 months, Didn’t make any other changes to the charging system, just swapped it out with the old knackered lead/acid battery, not had any issues, The one I have fitted is an Aliant YLP10 Edited June 11 by PaintItBlack Quote Link to comment
Upshotknothole Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 I've had good experiences and bad experiences with them over the years. If there are any faults in your charging/starting system, a lithium battery is pretty good at finding them. At the same time, I've had them in dirt bikes where I know the charge was all over the place and never had any problems, but it was also a kick only bike. Only thing they really don't like is the cold. Turning the headlights on for a minute while getting your gear on before trying to start the bike was usually enough when I used to run one year round. Quote Link to comment
justin Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 Run a lithium on my GSXR 750 with no changes to charging circuit and runs fine. Been on about 2 years., I think. Quote Link to comment
Joseph Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 It's all I've used all year round for almost a decade now on AC/OC bikes On air cooled bikes you just need to pair it with an electronic reg/rec, Mosfet FH020 is the one you want (fitted to many Yamahas among others) Quote Link to comment
Jonny Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 11 hours ago, Joseph said: It's all I've used all year round for almost a decade now on AC/OC bikes On air cooled bikes you just need to pair it with an electronic reg/rec, Mosfet FH020 is the one you want (fitted to many Yamahas among others) Does that include EFEs? I'm just using the standard Suzuki one with my Lithium battery. Jonny Quote Link to comment
Gixer1460 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 19 minutes ago, Jonny said: Does that include EFEs? I'm just using the standard Suzuki one with my Lithium battery. Jonny Tempting fate as they aren't the most reliable of devices - charging queries every year prove this! 1 Quote Link to comment
Joseph Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 25 minutes ago, Jonny said: Does that include EFEs? I'm just using the standard Suzuki one with my Lithium battery. Jonny Yes, the EFE is the same stator charging technology as the other air cooled OSS bikes, i fitted an 1135 engine in my kat along with said reg/rec and small battery (all stuffed under the seat) and it performed very well. I've seen grief over lithium batteries but i've not had any on my installs, i can only give feedback on what i've seen. They're sensitive to temperature, when it's cold, i put the full beam on for a couple of minutes to get the battery warmed up and it's cranking capacity good, then it goes fine Quote Link to comment
Joseph Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 9 minutes ago, Gixer1460 said: Tempting fate as they aren't the most reliable of devices - charging queries every year prove this! Yes indeed, on the five air cooled i've had they all got a new stator, whether it was from the get go or soon after. Pairing it with a that modern reg/rec avoids it burning out again (and also removing the wire that goes all the way to the handlebar switch from the stator on the ones that have it) 1 Quote Link to comment
Jonny Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 2 minutes ago, Joseph said: Yes indeed, on the five air cooled i've had they all got a new stator, whether it was from the get go or soon after. Pairing it with a that modern reg/rec avoids it burning out again (and also removing the wire that goes all the way to the handlebar switch from the stator on the ones that have it) Good Info! I replaced the alternator a couple of years back. Looks like I can get a secondhand MOSFET unit for a BMW for about £40 on eBlag. Might be the way to go? Quote Link to comment
Jonny Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 7 minutes ago, Joseph said: Yes, the EFE is the same stator charging technology as the other air cooled OSS bikes, i fitted an 1135 engine in my kat along with said reg/rec and small battery (all stuffed under the seat) and it performed very well. I've seen grief over lithium batteries but i've not had any on my installs, i can only give feedback on what i've seen. They're sensitive to temperature, when it's cold, i put the full beam on for a couple of minutes to get the battery warmed up and it's cranking capacity good, then it goes fine I fitted a Lithium battery a couple of years ago (Exide), as I needed to move the battery and needed something very small that could still crank the 1230cc motor easily. Not had any trouble so far, but I don't do a lot of millage on it TBH. 1 Quote Link to comment
Joseph Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 51 minutes ago, Jonny said: Good Info! I replaced the alternator a couple of years back. Looks like I can get a secondhand MOSFET unit for a BMW for about £40 on eBlag. Might be the way to go? Always bought second hand for mine. Be wary of the new ones at attractive prices for obvious reasons Quote Link to comment
Pbc_18 Posted June 18 Author Share Posted June 18 (edited) I talked to the guys from Rick Electric about a reg/rec they don't make on for the bike. Due to the fact they run an altenator. Anyone know a source i can get one for the the bike?? Or maybe i should just get an agm. I would like to put a lithium in as it is mounted under the seat. Edited June 18 by Pbc_18 Quote Link to comment
Joseph Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 (edited) 7 hours ago, Pbc_18 said: I talked to the guys from Rick Electric about a reg/rec they don't make on for the bike. Due to the fact they run an altenator. Anyone know a source i can get one for the the bike?? Or maybe i should just get an agm. I would like to put a lithium in as it is mounted under the seat. Oil cooled engines have the reg/rec integral to the alternator, the air cooled bikes have the seperate item, so you don't need to address that point on your bike Edited June 19 by Joseph Quote Link to comment
Gixer1460 Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 11 hours ago, Pbc_18 said: I talked to the guys from Rick Electric about a reg/rec they don't make on for the bike. Due to the fact they run an alternator. Strange thing for a 'specialist' to say, seeing as virtually EVERY bike for the last 40+ years uses an Alternator! Maybe they meant - its integrated on Oil Cooled bike units? Even with these doing the 'Charging Mod' is sensible to get rock solid output that battery will appreciate! Quote Link to comment
Joseph Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 On 6/19/2024 at 12:04 PM, Gixer1460 said: Strange thing for a 'specialist' to say ! Maybe they meant - its integrated on Oil Cooled bike units? Most definitely that Quote Link to comment
Pbc_18 Posted Saturday at 11:15 PM Author Share Posted Saturday at 11:15 PM Ended up pickings up a noco lithium battery. It has. A bms system on it. I guess I will see how it goes. 1 Quote Link to comment
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