JannPedersen Posted June 28, 2020 Posted June 28, 2020 When motor is cold, the clutch engages and disengages perfectly. But, when it's warm, the clutch doesn't fully disengage, in the sense that when I stand still, I can't get it into neutral gear - when trying from 1. gear, it pops directly to 2. gear and vice versa... (And yes, I HAVE read the fucking manual - but, no help here!)... So, anybody have at clue what's going on?... Quote
wraith Posted June 28, 2020 Posted June 28, 2020 Basket mite be notched or a warped steel plate ? Quote
Tombola Posted June 29, 2020 Posted June 29, 2020 When I stripped down my 1100f engine I found that nearly all the friction material on the clutch plates had started come off! 1 Quote
JannPedersen Posted June 29, 2020 Author Posted June 29, 2020 5 hours ago, Tombola said: When I stripped down my 1100f engine I found that nearly all the friction material on the clutch plates had started come off! Did your clutch behave in the same manner as mine? Quote
JannPedersen Posted June 29, 2020 Author Posted June 29, 2020 20 hours ago, wraith said: Basket mite be notched or a warped steel plate ? Well, I also have an unpleasant feeling that something is worn out. But, before taking it apart I would check if any of you guys had similar experiences. For example, sometimes clutch and gearbox problems on older machines can be solved just by using a different oil... Quote
Tombola Posted June 29, 2020 Posted June 29, 2020 1 hour ago, JannPedersen said: Did your clutch behave in the same manner as mine? I can’t recall sorry... it was about 4yrs ago I last rode it. Quote
Oilyspanner Posted June 30, 2020 Posted June 30, 2020 The 1100F has a hydraulic clutch I think, it's worth bleeding some new dot 4/4.1 fluid through the system to remove any air/water in the fluid - the slave cylinder doesn't move the clutch rod that far, so anything that reduces the movement can cause the clutch not to disengage. Clutches tend to get grabby when hot to make things worse. Worth flushing the old fluid through before you go any further. 1 Quote
Jelly Posted June 30, 2020 Posted June 30, 2020 Common fault on an F, had it too (and yes the plates are fooked). Use the search, you will certainly get some info on it. 1 Quote
Duckndive Posted June 30, 2020 Posted June 30, 2020 take the cover of and have a look saves a lot of guess work its a 4 spring clutch no special tools needed to investigate ... leen the bike on side stand with front wheel on a block of 4 x 2 and you wont loose any oil 1 Quote
clivegto Posted June 30, 2020 Posted June 30, 2020 (edited) Clutch pushrod could be sticking due to all the crud build-up from the drive chain. Most likely to be the basket though as has been said. Edited June 30, 2020 by clivegto 1 Quote
JannPedersen Posted June 30, 2020 Author Posted June 30, 2020 6 hours ago, Oilyspanner said: The 1100F has a hydraulic clutch I think, it's worth bleeding some new dot 4/4.1 fluid through the system to remove any air/water in the fluid - the slave cylinder doesn't move the clutch rod that far, so anything that reduces the movement can cause the clutch not to disengage. Clutches tend to get grabby when hot to make things worse. Worth flushing the old fluid through before you go any further. Thanks mate - I'll give it a go in this direction before dismantling the clutch. 1 Quote
Oilyspanner Posted July 1, 2020 Posted July 1, 2020 It may be the clutch, but the purging of the fluid is a quick and easy thing to do - CliveGTO's - gunked up inside the cover is another good one to check, nice and easy to resolve - if one of those works then happy days ! …… if not it will be time to open the clutch case and taking the clutch apart - even that's not too bad, just the clutch basket holding tool and the centre nut are tricky, the rest is easy enough - if it is the clutch, then at least the actuation side has been serviced ! 1 Quote
JannPedersen Posted July 3, 2020 Author Posted July 3, 2020 On 7/1/2020 at 10:12 AM, Oilyspanner said: It may be the clutch, but the purging of the fluid is a quick and easy thing to do - CliveGTO's - gunked up inside the cover is another good one to check, nice and easy to resolve - if one of those works then happy days ! …… if not it will be time to open the clutch case and taking the clutch apart - even that's not too bad, just the clutch basket holding tool and the centre nut are tricky, the rest is easy enough - if it is the clutch, then at least the actuation side has been serviced ! Clutch pushrod has been cleaned from all the (very much) nasty and sticky stuff, hydraulic has been flushed though completely...problem still occurs (clutch dismantling, here we go)... Quote
wraith Posted July 3, 2020 Posted July 3, 2020 My bet is the basket, that's got notches in it 1 Quote
Duckndive Posted July 6, 2020 Posted July 6, 2020 On 7/3/2020 at 11:08 PM, wraith said: My bet is the basket, that's got notches in it Steel Basket not prone to wear....but hub could be worn "ali" not got OEM plates in , fibres falling off plates or warped steel / s Quote
wraith Posted July 6, 2020 Posted July 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Duckndive said: Steel Basket not prone to wear....but hub could be worn "ali" Didn't say inner or outer basket just basket and both inner and outer are Ali outer just had steel ring, would you like a pic through my window clutch cover Quote
Duckndive Posted July 6, 2020 Posted July 6, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, wraith said: Didn't say inner or outer basket just basket and both inner and outer are Ali outer just had steel ring, would you like a pic through my window clutch cover Yes Both My powerscreem motors had steel baskets oooh well every days a skool day https://www.robinsonsfoundry.co.uk/shop/online-store/suzuki-parts-finder/gsx/gsx1100f/fj-fr-1988-1994.htm?vehicle_id=27#!gsx1100fclutch Edited July 6, 2020 by Duckndive Quote
Gixer1460 Posted July 6, 2020 Posted July 6, 2020 1 hour ago, wraith said: Didn't say inner or outer basket just basket and both inner and outer are Ali outer just had steel ring, would you like a pic through my window clutch cover Being a pedant ! ! ! Only the outer is a basket - the inner piece is a hub ! LOL! Sounds like you have one of those wanky Blandit type baskets - Ali with steel band, wear prone and weaker if subjected to significant power increase. Quote
wraith Posted July 9, 2020 Posted July 9, 2020 On 7/6/2020 at 7:21 PM, Duckndive said: Yes Both My powerscreem motors had steel baskets oooh well every days a skool day https://www.robinsonsfoundry.co.uk/shop/online-store/suzuki-parts-finder/gsx/gsx1100f/fj-fr-1988-1994.htm?vehicle_id=27#!gsx1100fclutch You're wright, just had a look at my clutch on the F motor. Just been working on a GS motor and was thinking of that Old age you know Quote
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