nightrider Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 I know a Lockup is a centrifugal clutch but does it work in effect like the Rekluse System?Meaning I can still use my clutch like a standard clutch also or does it completely remove manual activation all together? Quote Link to comment
colinworth79 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 works just like a standard clutch Quote Link to comment
Gixer1460 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Its not a clutch! It is a bolt on plate with weighted arms that apply pressure to the clutch pack using centrifugal force acting on the arms. You can still pull the clutch lever although it may be a bit heavier depending on the rear wheel speed. Other than racing, big bore torque monsters, turbos or using nitrous, anything else will never need or benefit from it - if they do, then they need a new set of fibres! LOL 1 Quote Link to comment
nightrider Posted September 23, 2015 Author Share Posted September 23, 2015 Ahh ok, I get it now. Thanks guys Quote Link to comment
Racing Geek Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 On the topic of lockups, will a lockup for a 91 Gsxr1100 fit a 93 gsxf1100 and a 02 B12? Or are there differences between models that prevent it from swapping one motor to the next? Quote Link to comment
nightrider Posted September 23, 2015 Author Share Posted September 23, 2015 On the topic of lockups, will a lockup for a 91 Gsxr1100 fit a 93 gsxf1100 and a 02 B12? Or are there differences between models that prevent it from swapping one motor to the next? Obviously I'm not the Lock-up expert but as far as differences,I know the b12 has an Aluminum basket while the gsxr1100 89-93 & the gsxf1100 / G have the steal ones. The b12 has totally different plates then the earlier bikes.The 88-93 gsx-f1100 was coil sprung while the gsxr1100 89+ was Diaphragm. I think all the gsx-1100g had the same Diaphragm set up as the gsxr1100 89+ Pretty sure I'm on target but by no means is my word the law. Quote Link to comment
Duckndive Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Obviously I'm not the Lock-up expert but as far as differences,I know the b12 has an Aluminum basket while the gsxr1100 89-93 & the gsxf1100 / G have the steal ones. The b12 has totally different plates then the earlier bikes.The 88-93 gsx-f1100 was coil sprung while the gsxr1100 89+ was Diaphragm. I think all the gsx-1100g had the same Diaphragm set up as the gsxr1100 89+ Pretty sure I'm on target but by no means is my word the law. All the Oil boiler locks ups are the same unit.....BUT they use "need" an adaptor to fit on Diaphragm clutch.....Personally I would do a coil spring conversion on a diaphragm clutch if I was going to fit a lock up...... Quote Link to comment
E10 Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 @DuckndiveAnd that is what for a conversion?? Quote Link to comment
Ben Slabby Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Basically a substitution of the weaker diaphragm clutch assembly for a complete 1100 slabside unit. You need one of two other bits, a spacer and a ball bearing, iirc. There is an article on here about it in the tech section. I know there is, cos I re-read it the other day. 1 Quote Link to comment
Ben Slabby Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Also, from memory, bandit clutches are particularly weak... Isn't that why they have the steel bands around them? Im sure someone will correct me if im wrong. Quote Link to comment
Duckndive Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 @DuckndiveAnd that is what for a conversion?? info here http://oldskoolsuzuki.info/archives/218 2 Quote Link to comment
nightrider Posted September 24, 2015 Author Share Posted September 24, 2015 info here http://oldskoolsuzuki.info/archives/218 WoHo! Precisely what I was figuring out this am before work. Glad to know I wasn't off track I've got everything but the m/n basket. Quote Link to comment
Gammaboy Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 On the temp forum there was a thread about converting the diaphragm clutches using ~06ish GSXR Clutch Hubs from memory. Quote Link to comment
nightrider Posted September 25, 2015 Author Share Posted September 25, 2015 On the temp forum there was a thread about converting the diaphragm clutches using ~06ish GSXR Clutch Hubs from memory.Ya, spent the other night pouring over the microfiche.Looks like the hubs plates and pressure plate should plop in.Hoping to go with the K-N basket as I have loads of plates for the system. Quote Link to comment
Gixer1460 Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 I've got everything but the m/n basket.Of which, I have for sale - make me an offer? Quote Link to comment
nightrider Posted September 26, 2015 Author Share Posted September 26, 2015 Alas I'm in the Sates, too far for shipping Anyone States Side got one they'll part with? Quote Link to comment
nightrider Posted September 29, 2015 Author Share Posted September 29, 2015 Anybody know if the Water Cooled 1100 basket will work instead of the 88-92 1100 basket conversion?It also has 72T prime gear and has a metal basket.Although the friction plates have a different part# they are the same tooth like engagement to the basket. Different thickness? Quote Link to comment
Gsxrsam Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 the bandit lock up and gsxr are different in that that the "legs" the bolts go through are 8mm longer on gsxr compared to bandit.......and mounting is threaded on gsxr but nut on bandit.......lockup on bandit will hold 200 plus hp happily......not looked at water boiler ones........ Quote Link to comment
McLean Racing Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 (edited) Converting a GSXR diaphram clutch to a 4 spring is absolutely fucking pointless. Never had an issue with the diaphram clutches on any of our bikes and some of them were using lockups. Not to mention the earlier gsxr inner hubs are softer and are more prone to wearing grooves in them from the steel platesBandit clutches just replace all the 1.5mm steel plates for 2mm gsxr steel plates. Job done Edited October 1, 2015 by McLean Racing Quote Link to comment
nightrider Posted October 1, 2015 Author Share Posted October 1, 2015 Ya, since I am going lock-up I have to admit that my main reason for doing so is that I have loads of NOS OEM plates for the coil clutch. Offsets the expense of the swap. Quote Link to comment
nightrider Posted October 1, 2015 Author Share Posted October 1, 2015 OK so back to lock-ups.2-Stage or Multi-Stage?2-stage is half the money but I like the sound of tune-ability with the multi.... Am I over thinking it? Quote Link to comment
McLean Racing Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 (edited) Ur options are 2 stage, multistage, multistage gen2, full slider. Also, the multistage lockup is only available for the diaphram clutchMe personally, im a fan if the slider clutch. They are for drag racing only tho Edited October 1, 2015 by McLean Racing Quote Link to comment
Gixer1460 Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 For probably 80% of users a vanilla flavour 2 stage will be plenty - only for drag racing where a total excess of power is the norm and infinite clutch control is everything will benefit from the sophisticated multi tunable set-ups. My big power road bike only needs a simple lock up on the road. 1 Quote Link to comment
McLean Racing Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 For probably 80% of users a vanilla flavour 2 stage will be plenty - only for drag racing where a total excess of power is the norm and infinite clutch control is everything will benefit from the sophisticated multi tunable set-ups. My big power road bike only needs a simple lock up on the road.what he said ^^^^^^^^ Quote Link to comment
nightrider Posted October 2, 2015 Author Share Posted October 2, 2015 Pretty much as I suspected but good to hear it out loud from guys who've put them to the test.I'm thinking its a 2-stage for me then.Thanks fellers Quote Link to comment
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