Simbec1863 Posted July 22, 2019 Posted July 22, 2019 Starting to plan upgrades to my 7/11 ET but before I go any further what reg plate will I end up with if I order a new trick frame? Quote
Dezza Posted July 23, 2019 Posted July 23, 2019 If it's going to be totally legit, then I would say a Q plate. 1 Quote
vizman Posted July 23, 2019 Posted July 23, 2019 Totally legit you could go two routes, full on new build or let the dvla decide 2 Quote
bluedog59 Posted July 23, 2019 Posted July 23, 2019 But if your new frame just happens to have the same number stamped on it...... 3 Quote
yantosh Posted July 23, 2019 Posted July 23, 2019 i have a dvla issued vin number, been MSVA'd and have an age related plate . tell them you are reframing an existing bike , which you have the V5 for, and that you will be using as many as possible of the existing components, wheels , brakes, engine, electics, suspension etc . worked for me 4 Quote
Dezza Posted July 23, 2019 Posted July 23, 2019 23 minutes ago, bluedog59 said: But if your new frame just happens to have the same number stamped on it...... Yep, the alternative (but not really 100% legit) is to have the frame made with no number, then buy a donor frame of the desired type-year and a set of letter and number stamps (and maybe one of those DIY VIN plates too), remove the old number from the donor frame and then weigh-in or use it for parts..... This just all sounds so dodgy but I suspect it happens more than taking a correct Q plate/alternative DVLA route given the odd registrations displayed on many frame kit bikes. 2 Quote
Simbec1863 Posted July 23, 2019 Author Posted July 23, 2019 26 minutes ago, yantosh said: i have a dvla issued vin number, been MSVA'd and have an age related plate . tell them you are reframing an existing bike , which you have the V5 for, and that you will be using as many as possible of the existing components, wheels , brakes, engine, electics, suspension etc . worked for me Cheers for that I will be transferring most parts from my Et so this would be my ideal solution Quote
R1guy Posted July 23, 2019 Posted July 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Simbec1863 said: Cheers for that I will be transferring most parts from my Et so this would be my ideal solution Is much of your ET actually “et”? Quote
Simbec1863 Posted July 23, 2019 Author Posted July 23, 2019 13 minutes ago, R1guy said: Is much of your ET actually “et”? The frame,engine and panels all the rest is GSXR slingshot Quote
Simbec1863 Posted March 3, 2022 Author Posted March 3, 2022 Coming back to this after sometime now I have my ET registered as historic can I transfer parts over to the new frame and just stick my old plate on it as it will never go for an Mot or am I just chancing my arm and should go the MSVA route etc,any thoughts or experience with this? @Dezza @yantosh @370steve Quote
dynodave Posted March 3, 2022 Posted March 3, 2022 (edited) I would have thought that if you were to do that, you must put the Slingshot engine number on your V5. The only other thing is Insurance? Will you insure it as a stock ET or modified? Can't they be a bit funny about insuring modified stuff that isn't on a Q or bin MSVA'd? If you insure it as a standard bike but have an accident you may be on a sticky wicket. Edited March 3, 2022 by dynodave 1 Quote
Dezza Posted March 3, 2022 Posted March 3, 2022 There is a list of critera on the DVLA website regarding what is allowed modification wise with historic reg vehicles. When I registered a bike as historic is was an import and first UK reg. The bike was a stock resto and so old no-one in their right mind could argue against this. I thought to change a previously registered bike to historic status a declaration has to be made that it does not have 'significant' (or similar wording) modifications. Modifying the bike after historic status has been achieved is a different matter though and I have no idea if 'historic' would stick. It does seem to me to be a bit of a conundrum insurance wise though. If you declare major modifications, how can it still be historic when major mods aren't in keeping with the spirit of the regs? 1 Quote
Gixer1460 Posted March 3, 2022 Posted March 3, 2022 As above ^^^ the classification of 'historic' is not a 'get out of jail free card' for unlimited mods. The Historic - MOT thing precludes mods made within the last 30 yrs and / or being substantial in nature . . . . . and a chassis / frame change is! Insurance is the next one - they will know if its reclassified as 'historic' and know the criteria that it should attain, so telling them its got a mod'd frame will set the alarm bells off. I don't dare consider the implications of a total loss accident or being stolen would be, ie. potential declined claim and zero pennies for you! And lastly, the DVLA don't take kindly to being rogered and could simply seize the bike and crush it - treating it as a wringer! All of which is a pretty unsatisfactory outcome. Gone are the days when a frame swap was a weekend affair, get the boyz round and carry on camping - its either done right with 'like for like' or do the MSVA thing and live with the consequences of that route - a Q plate ain't the worst thing in the big scheme! 1 Quote
Simbec1863 Posted March 3, 2022 Author Posted March 3, 2022 Thanks for the replies good sensible input, this confirmed my gut feeling guess there’s more to lose these days than gain by trying to beat the system and cut corners Quote
dynodave Posted March 3, 2022 Posted March 3, 2022 Yeah, you only have to look at the DVLA hunting down hot rods and taking their original historic V5's off them after an inspection to see what might be up the road for us! Quote
gsxwill Posted March 4, 2022 Posted March 4, 2022 As has already been said, a Q plate doesn't have the stigma of 20 years ago and you don't get penalised by insurance, if anything it shows you have done things like right way!! Remember all insurance companies first thought is how can I get out of paying for this 2 Quote
370steve Posted March 4, 2022 Posted March 4, 2022 10 minutes ago, gsxwill said: As has already been said, a Q plate doesn't have the stigma of 20 years ago and you don't get penalised by insurance, if anything it shows you have done things like right way!! Remember all insurance companies first thought is how can I get out of paying for this yep, just insured my "Q" plate GS, insurance co didnt ask any questions 1 Quote
gsxwill Posted March 4, 2022 Posted March 4, 2022 6 minutes ago, 370steve said: yep, just insured my "Q" plate GS, insurance co didnt ask any questions I still have my box of letter punches But just for sentimental purposes 2 Quote
Dezza Posted March 4, 2022 Posted March 4, 2022 2 hours ago, gsxwill said: As has already been said, a Q plate doesn't have the stigma of 20 years ago and you don't get penalised by insurance, if anything it shows you have done things like right way!! Remember all insurance companies first thought is how can I get out of paying for this Really? Several companies I have asked refused to quote for my bike solely because it has a Q plate, and always has since it was built 35 years ago. Taking the piss and having a heavily modded vehicle on a historic registration is a different thing altogether though. Quote
yantosh Posted March 5, 2022 Posted March 5, 2022 On 3/3/2022 at 4:22 AM, Simbec1863 said: Coming back to this after sometime now I have my ET registered as historic can I transfer parts over to the new frame and just stick my old plate on it as it will never go for an Mot or am I just chancing my arm and should go the MSVA route etc,any thoughts or experience with this? @Dezza @yantosh @370steve are you meaning, transferring the reg to a diff frame..... they rather frown on that .... 1 Quote
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