Swirl Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 16 minutes ago, CockneyRick said: As i see it you'd have to use 2 spacers. 1 for the difference in basket depth, then 2nd one for the lockup itself. Both can be had from SPS. Or 1 big one that would have to be specifically made! Is there any benefit in this or just use a lockup with the gs clutch basket Quote Link to comment
CockneyRick Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 (edited) I'd say just use a lockup, problem is getting the parts. SPS reckon the GSX extended rack will work in a GS (I'm sceptical) & also he hasn't got any spacers but will get more made as soon as he gets another order. Either way the full kit is £494, individually the spacer is £180 & rack is £126 Edited April 23, 2020 by CockneyRick Quote Link to comment
Reinhoud Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, CockneyRick said: Surely if you're taking meat off the clutch basket, in effect you're turning it into a GS1000 basket & defeating the point? That's why SPS has produced that (7mm?) spacer plate so you keep the extra plates in the GSX clutch, & also explains why the rack is longer on std & lockup versions That doesn't fit, the clutch basket goes behind the crankcase, the GSX basket will not fit in the GS1000 crankcase unless there's 7mm taken off Edited April 23, 2020 by Reinhoud 2 Quote Link to comment
Reinhoud Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 18 minutes ago, Swirl said: Is there any benefit in this or just use a lockup with the gs clutch basket GSX clutch baskets are stronger than GS baskets, I was told Quote Link to comment
Swirl Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Reinhoud said: GSX clutch baskets are stronger than GS baskets, I was told I can appreciate the basket is stronger, there are more plates ie surface area, but is there any benefit, would the GS with a lockup suffice Quote Link to comment
CockneyRick Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 18 minutes ago, Reinhoud said: That doesn't fit, the clutch basket goes behind the crankcase, the GSX basket will not fit in the GS1000 crankcase unless there's 7mm taken off Ah right, i didn't know that, i assumed it was about the basket height against the cover. never occured to me it was the case in the way Quote Link to comment
Duckndive Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 4 hours ago, CockneyRick said: Surely if you're taking meat off the clutch basket, in effect you're turning it into a GS1000 basket & defeating the point? That's why SPS has produced that (7mm?) spacer plate so you keep the extra plates in the GSX clutch, & also explains why the rack is longer on std & lockup versions The GSX basket is much stronger than the GS one ...and if you mod the inner hub you can get all the plates in the old V&H clutch kits used to get an extra plate in both clutches.....i,ll let you see if you can work out that one out for yourselves Suzuki even did it on one of the 16v motors as well Quote Link to comment
no class Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 ...... the gs / gsx baskets in stock form are junk ..... cast aluminum junk .....the stock clutch hub nut is also an issue .....the basket develops a rattle over time even with the beefed up springs and rivet kit .....eventually will even explode when slightly abused . the attached image is a stock basket with the modified back plate / straight cut gear... 1230cc ..... exploded during a 5 gear burnout . too bad the efe was not equiped with a steel basket gsxr type way back then ..... bullet proof . 1 Quote Link to comment
Duckndive Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Reinhoud said: That doesn't fit, the clutch basket goes behind the crankcase, the GSX basket will not fit in the GS1000 crankcase unless there's 7mm taken off I agree Looking at the spacer on the net i think you need to trim the cases "see my original post on page one" Its all down to how much effort you want to put into doing it or having a go as It took me less than 15 min to suss out how to do it including find the bit,s in the garage Seams like most things folk want a little effort bolt on solution ... Edited April 23, 2020 by Duckndive spelling 2 Quote Link to comment
Reinhoud Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 21 hours ago, CockneyRick said: I'd say just use a lockup, problem is getting the parts. SPS reckon the GSX extended rack will work in a GS (I'm sceptical) & also he hasn't got any spacers but will get more made as soon as he gets another order. Either way the full kit is £494, individually the spacer is £180 & rack is £126 Use a lock up from a GSX, SPS has them. Quote Link to comment
Swirl Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 18 hours ago, Duckndive said: Seams like most things folk want a little effort bolt on solution ... Im personally trying to find the best solution, I'm not going to say on a limited budget, but not a infinite amount of cash, sharing information and experiences would be something I thought this forum was about, no one is trying to find the last few hp to beat there racing rival, just pick others brains who have done it before, that's my view on it. Quote Link to comment
CockneyRick Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 58 minutes ago, Reinhoud said: Use a lock up from a GSX, SPS has them. I have a GSX lockups, but the spacer is totally different to a GS Quote Link to comment
vizman Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 OSS is about sharing information, luckily there are some talented mad experimentalists out there who share their findings on here... ask not what OSS can do for you but what you can do for OSS. and I think you’ll find that those chasing the extra few bhp to beat their rivals are usually the ones doing the hard work, experimenting...the mothers of invention. 1 Quote Link to comment
Duckndive Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 On 4/23/2020 at 12:06 PM, CockneyRick said: IEither way the full kit is £494, individually the spacer is £180 & rack is £126 ask rupperton for a price on spacer Gary May "the gen" has extended racks for £50 on faceache i dont have a gs cover otherwise i would try a gsx rack in it "but i don't see it being different it was a very common item across the ranges at the time" 1 Quote Link to comment
Swirl Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 I got a price of r upperton to weld the crank, surprisingly reasonable, thought it was gonna be more, Quote Link to comment
Duckndive Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 12 minutes ago, Swirl said: I got a price of r upperton to weld the crank, surprisingly reasonable, thought it was gonna be more, Roger is good value "just don't hang ya hat on timescale thou" That said he fixed a EFE crank while i waited a couple years ago 1 Quote Link to comment
CockneyRick Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 34 minutes ago, Duckndive said: ask rupperton for a price on spacer Gary May "the gen" has extended racks for £50 on faceache i dont have a gs cover otherwise i would try a gsx rack in it "but i don't see it being different it was a very common item across the ranges at the time" Already have, Roger, SPS, Grumpy & Sam baker haven't got any. Now trying Gary (Gen) & he'll get back to me 1 Quote Link to comment
Reinhoud Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 On 4/24/2020 at 7:17 PM, CockneyRick said: I have a GSX lockups, but the spacer is totally different to a GS Center photo, the right one is what I have in my GS 1 Quote Link to comment
Swirl Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 16 minutes ago, Reinhoud said: Center photo, the right one is what I have in my GS Is that GSX then Quote Link to comment
CockneyRick Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 34 minutes ago, Reinhoud said: Center photo, the right one is what I have in my GS Strangely the RH one is what @Gsxrsammade me, the one on left i have no idea what/where it came from! Quote Link to comment
CockneyRick Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 20 minutes ago, Swirl said: Is that GSX then I'm led to believe GS & GSX are the same, but both in pic were meant to be GS? Quote Link to comment
Duckndive Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 1 hour ago, CockneyRick said: I'm led to believe GS & GSX are the same, but both in pic were meant to be GS? Well aside from thou steels being slightly larger O/Dia but the same inner i doubt suzuki reinvented the wheel when it came to the bolt spacings on the hub as the pressure plate for both has the same part no PRESSURE DISC (21462-49201) Quote Link to comment
CockneyRick Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 25 minutes ago, Duckndive said: Well aside from thou steels being slightly larger O/Dia but the same inner i doubt suzuki reinvented the wheel when it came to the bolt spacings on the hub as the pressure plate for both has the same part no PRESSURE DISC (21462-49201) I assumed cos one has the stepped mounts, that the pressure discs might be different. So in that case, not sure what the LH one is for? Quote Link to comment
Duckndive Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 2 hours ago, CockneyRick said: I assumed cos one has the stepped mounts, that the pressure discs might be different. So in that case, not sure what the LH one is for? i would say they are both the same...just the one on the right has the spacers build it to it Quote Link to comment
CockneyRick Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Ah yes, clearly wherever i got it there were no spacers supplied? Quote Link to comment
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