motopsycho87 Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 Hi all, got a blandit 1200 MK2 with stage 3 and just got my ignitech through. Has anyone made a map with 5 degree advance and 3D map for TPS? Quote Link to comment
Kamikaze Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 No sorry. Both my Ignitech’s are on 750’s Quote Link to comment
MeanBean49 Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 Just add however many degrees on the map where you want them and click programme Quote Link to comment
motopsycho87 Posted March 22, 2021 Author Share Posted March 22, 2021 Would still be interesting to see 750 map, there is so little information on getting a good ignition map out there it seems like it just needs to be ride, adjust, ride, repeat... Without a dyno of course Quote Link to comment
MeanBean49 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 6 hours ago, motopsycho87 said: Would still be interesting to see 750 map, there is so little information on getting a good ignition map out there it seems like it just needs to be ride, adjust, ride, repeat... Without a dyno of course Igntech has them all available, you just select it from the dropdown. Iir 750, 1100 and b12 are pretty much all the same, just slightly different rev limits 1 Quote Link to comment
ElBlandito Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 (edited) Fair point Ian, post removed. Edited March 22, 2021 by ElBlandito Copyright Quote Link to comment
Gixer1460 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 Its a bit necky to technically be 'ripping off' a companies maps to use in someone else's software without paying for it! 2 Quote Link to comment
MeanBean49 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 2 hours ago, Gixer1460 said: Its a bit necky to technically be 'ripping off' a companies maps to use in someone else's software without paying for it! Whos ripping anything off? Talking about a standard ignition map, as supplied by ignitech to go onto another igmition map. Not that an ignition map/curve is a top secret thing anyway. Suzuki and every other manufacturer seem happy to make them common knowlege Quote Link to comment
ElBlandito Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 6 minutes ago, MeanBean49 said: Whos ripping anything off? Talking about a standard ignition map, as supplied by ignitech to go onto another igmition map. Not that an ignition map/curve is a top secret thing anyway. Suzuki and every other manufacturer seem happy to make them common knowlege @MeanBean49I had asked about the stock B12/GSXR maps not being available in the latest .exe download drop down from ignitech and assumed you may have to purchase a unit to have that option available in the software. @Gixer1460was saying that's kind of wrong to ask for the info, so I wiped the post. Mistake on my part. Quote Link to comment
Gixer1460 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 1 hour ago, ElBlandito said: @MeanBean49I had asked about the stock B12/GSXR maps not being available in the latest .exe download drop down from ignitech and assumed you may have to purchase a unit to have that option available in the software. @Gixer1460was saying that's kind of wrong to ask for the info, so I wiped the post. Mistake on my part. Thanks - I'm glad you got the intent of my post. Quote Link to comment
MeanBean49 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 2 hours ago, ElBlandito said: @MeanBean49I had asked about the stock B12/GSXR maps not being available in the latest .exe download drop down from ignitech and assumed you may have to purchase a unit to have that option available in the software. @Gixer1460was saying that's kind of wrong to ask for the info, so I wiped the post. Mistake on my part. My point still stands, a bandit or gsxr ignition curve is not a top secret thing only ignitech know. They got it from somewhere in the first place, its not their property in the first place really. Not looked at mine in ages, cant remember what they come programmed with. If you want either map just email ignitech and ask for it, they will email it over. Ive done it a few times when i have swapped one of my units onto a different bike. 1 Quote Link to comment
ElBlandito Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 Good information to know, I'll give them a shout. Thank you Quote Link to comment
motopsycho87 Posted March 23, 2021 Author Share Posted March 23, 2021 The stock ignitech maps are rubbish. I enabled TPS and it gives you a mental amount of advance between 2 and 10% then goes flat again, adding 5 degrees to this puts you at about 55' !!! It also gives a horrible surge if your coasting at low revs in a high gear. I've studied a ton of maps and used a generator also going from what I know is safe and made one that works pretty well. Dropped down to 30 degrees at full throttle and it absolutely rips with a ton of torque down low. Will post when I get to work in the morning. Anyway, what's this secret I missed? PM me 1 Quote Link to comment
MeanBean49 Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 8 hours ago, motopsycho87 said: The stock ignitech maps are rubbish. I enabled TPS and it gives you a mental amount of advance between 2 and 10% then goes flat again, adding 5 degrees to this puts you at about 55' !!! It also gives a horrible surge if your coasting at low revs in a high gear. I've studied a ton of maps and used a generator also going from what I know is safe and made one that works pretty well. Dropped down to 30 degrees at full throttle and it absolutely rips with a ton of torque down low. Will post when I get to work in the morning. Anyway, what's this secret I missed? PM me As far as im aware the 3d map they come with isnt inteded to be used as is, its just generic, because these bikes dont have 3d maps as standard. A b12 has tps, but its only setup to retard ignition slightly in lower gears. The standard 2D map is a copy of the standard ignition curve. Ive foumd it always works fine. Usually get the best from stock motors by adding 3-4 degrees to max advance. 3D mapping your only going to get right wuth hours of dyno time, set it all to match the standard map and go from there, you need to be doing loads of dyno pulls at each throttle opening to see what works best. I have heard investing time in a good 3d map is worth it on a road bike, makes running really smooth and improves fuel economy quite a lot. Quote Link to comment
motopsycho87 Posted March 24, 2021 Author Share Posted March 24, 2021 2 hours ago, MeanBean49 said: As far as im aware the 3d map they come with isnt inteded to be used as is, its just generic, because these bikes dont have 3d maps as standard. A b12 has tps, but its only setup to retard ignition slightly in lower gears. The standard 2D map is a copy of the standard ignition curve. Ive foumd it always works fine. Usually get the best from stock motors by adding 3-4 degrees to max advance. 3D mapping your only going to get right wuth hours of dyno time, set it all to match the standard map and go from there, you need to be doing loads of dyno pulls at each throttle opening to see what works best. I have heard investing time in a good 3d map is worth it on a road bike, makes running really smooth and improves fuel economy quite a lot. I've just copied what exists and adjusted based on reasonable guesswork. It's an improvement on the standard unit +5deg Quote Link to comment
MeanBean49 Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 3 hours ago, motopsycho87 said: I've just copied what exists and adjusted based on reasonable guesswork. It's an improvement on the standard unit +5deg What have you copied to end up at +55? Max standard advance is 36 degrees iirc, how you +5 to that and end up at 55 I dont know. 55 is likely to grenade your motor Quote Link to comment
motopsycho87 Posted March 24, 2021 Author Share Posted March 24, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, MeanBean49 said: What have you copied to end up at +55? Max standard advance is 36 degrees iirc, how you +5 to that and end up at 55 I dont know. 55 is likely to grenade your motor You might want to read my post again... Lol Edited March 24, 2021 by motopsycho87 1 Quote Link to comment
motopsycho87 Posted March 24, 2021 Author Share Posted March 24, 2021 I'm going to turn down the advance at 0-2% throttle. Seems to upset the choke a little bit as advancing too quick Quote Link to comment
dupersunc Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 More advance at low throttle openings is normal, for cruising fuel economy, see the old vacuum advance mech's on old cars. Curious why you've retarded it above 8000rpm at 100% throttle? piston is traveling faster so you need to start the burn sooner in the compression phase. Quote Link to comment
dupersunc Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 Here's mine. which did this. 3 Quote Link to comment
Wagola Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 I really wish I had even the slightest understanding of the last 6 or 7 posts. still gonna follow but my head is fried !! 2 Quote Link to comment
MeanBean49 Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 5 hours ago, motopsycho87 said: You might want to read my post again... Lol Read it again, still says 55! Quote Link to comment
motopsycho87 Posted March 25, 2021 Author Share Posted March 25, 2021 3 hours ago, MeanBean49 said: Read it again, still says 55! Ahh, 1 post further back. Stock ignitech TPS map has a huge hump in it around 10-20% throttle. If you just add 5deg to everything it gives a couple points around the mid 50s, hence I didn't like it and changed it Quote Link to comment
motopsycho87 Posted March 25, 2021 Author Share Posted March 25, 2021 6 hours ago, dupersunc said: More advance at low throttle openings is normal, for cruising fuel economy, see the old vacuum advance mech's on old cars. Curious why you've retarded it above 8000rpm at 100% throttle? piston is traveling faster so you need to start the burn sooner in the compression phase. Because I've been looking at spark maps for high compression engines with turbos, also because I'm a fucking idiot still, better safe than sorry. Should have been googling 'naturally aspirated' timing map, And probably ignored this website as it seems so insanely conservative http://www.useasydocs.com/theory/spktable.htm Quote Link to comment
MeanBean49 Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, motopsycho87 said: Ahh, 1 post further back. Stock ignitech TPS map has a huge hump in it around 10-20% throttle. If you just add 5deg to everything it gives a couple points around the mid 50s, hence I didn't like it and changed it Like I said earlier the stock tps map is just a generic thing, its not intended to work, you need to imvest in a lot of dyno time if you want to use this function and get it setup right. Thats because these bikes didnt have a 3d map in the first place. Ignitech just supply a 2d map mirroring the standard curve that is ok to use as is. If you making any changes to the map without doing it on the dyno then your pissing in the wind really anyway. I personally wouldnt want to be running 40 degrees of advance at low throttle openings, not likely to be doing your motor any good Edited March 25, 2021 by MeanBean49 Quote Link to comment
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