imago Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 A simple (I hope) question, what year did the TL (European/UK market) go over to injection? Link to comment
imago Posted March 6, 2020 Author Share Posted March 6, 2020 29 minutes ago, banoffee said: All TLs are FI Thanks, I thought that but I was looking at a '97 which I was told had the carb's rebuilt. I'm not too familiar with modern bikes so just assumed that early ones were carb'd. I'll have to have a look at it now just out of curiosity! Link to comment
Gixer1460 Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 Not surprising as plenty of ads state ' carbs cleaned' when the bike was only ever fitted with Throttle bodies! Some people know jack about their own bike! 1 Link to comment
Matt-Man Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 The TL was the first bike to receive Digital Fuel Injection I read yesterday! Link to comment
Gixer1460 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 5 minutes ago, Matt-Man said: The TL was the first bike to receive Digital Fuel Injection I read yesterday! So the Kawa Z1000H, 'Onda CX650 and the Yam 650 turbo as well I think, don't count - all about the same time? Link to comment
Matt-Man Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Dunno about all that shit... I’m only communucating what I read in CCM yesterday! There may have been FI for earlier bikes but was it digital? Ive no idea! Link to comment
Gixer1460 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Matt-Man said: Dunno about all that shit... I’m only communucating what I read in CCM yesterday! There may have been FI for earlier bikes but was it digital? Ive no idea! Any electrical switch / device - switch on = 1, switch off = 0 and can't get anymore digital / binary than that! All FI before that was mechanical. ps - don't believe all you read LOL! Link to comment
Matt-Man Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Everyday is a school day mate... Link to comment
Gammaboy Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 16 hours ago, Matt-Man said: The TL was the first bike to receive Digital Fuel Injection I read yesterday! Yeah, nah. Maybe first Suzuki. Maybe first with the main throttle and the ecu controlled throttle? Link to comment
Gammaboy Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 15 hours ago, Gixer1460 said: All FI before that was mechanical. You're ignoring the analogue EFI systems like Bosch L-Jetronic and KE-Jetronic of the 80s. Rather than using lookup tables of stored values like digital EFI they used analogue electronics to meter fuel. I'm not sure what the Kawas used, but injected Ducatis and Bimotas were digital well before TLs. Ducati 851 and Bimota YB4EI were injected in 1987, both Weber Marelli digital systems. Link to comment
Captain Chaos Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 (edited) BMW K100 flying brick had efi in 1984 (Bosch LE Jetronic) Edited April 2, 2020 by Captain Chaos Link to comment
Gammaboy Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, Captain Chaos said: BMW K100 had efi in 1984 It was analogue L-Jetronic with a flap type afm though. Link to comment
Captain Chaos Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 LE Jetronic according to the manual i have. No flap valve. My old man had one of these things Link to comment
Gammaboy Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 (edited) They definitely had a flapper AFM like any other L-Jet. The K75/K100 guys suffer the same issues as the 80s euro car guys with them. http://www.kforum-tech.com/electrical/EFI/bike-wont-start-EN.htm Edited April 2, 2020 by Gammaboy Link to comment
Gammaboy Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 Anyway, we're fuckin miles off topic here. 1 Link to comment
Captain Chaos Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Gammaboy said: They definitely had a flapper AFM like any other L-Jet. The K75/K100 guys suffer the same issues as the 80s euro car guys with them. http://www.kforum-tech.com/electrical/EFI/bike-wont-start-EN.htm Ah yes i was confusing it with the Motronic of the newer versions. Sorry 'bout that. But as you said, way off topic. Link to comment
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