Guest Posted January 24, 2019 Posted January 24, 2019 On 1/21/2019 at 12:29 PM, Jonboy said: nice to see another GS1000 with a GSX donkey in it Everytime I see a GS like the white one it fair dinkum brings a tear to my eye. Had a similar one using GSXR running gear, Sold it few years ago after 20 years of ownership, regretted it as soon as saw van driving up the road :-( Still it`s good to see another terrorising the open roads :-) Quote
Jonboy Posted January 25, 2019 Posted January 25, 2019 3 to 5mm between tyre and chain minimum is what I would go with, others may say different but that is my preference. A correctly tensioned chain will not exhibit any lateral movement so will not rub. Are you using an offset front sprocket ? and also using 530/525 or 520 pitch chain? Quote
Ibbo Posted January 25, 2019 Author Posted January 25, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Jonboy said: 3 to 5mm between tyre and chain minimum is what I would go with, others may say different but that is my preference. A correctly tensioned chain will not exhibit any lateral movement so will not rub. Are you using an offset front sprocket ? and also using 530/525 or 520 pitch chain? Hi Jonboy I've got a flat 530 front sprocket. It's spaced out to the maximum, to still be able to use the locking tab as std. I foolishly bought a 5/8 offset one, and it was way too far over. A slight offset maybe 2 mm wpuld let me turn the rear sprocket, then I think I would have enough room for a 180 rear tyre. Edited January 25, 2019 by Ibbo Spell check error Quote
Jonboy Posted January 25, 2019 Posted January 25, 2019 3 to 5mm between tyre and chain minimum is what I would go with, others may say different but that is my preference. A correctly tensioned chain will not exhibit any lateral movement so will not rub. Are you using an offset front sprocket ? and also using 530/525 or 520 pitch chain? So, I am using a 3/8 offset front sprocket (about 10mm) but my swingarm etc very different to what you are running. The key for me was ensuring that front and back wheel were perfectly in line, from that point it was just a matter of working out the offsets needed. I spaced the engine very slighty biased towards the left hand side of frame (approx 3mm) to give the best advantage but still needed to use a 3/8 sprocket. Running a 170 tyre at momemt but have enough room to go bigger. Also dont forget that differnt makes of tyre will be dimensionally different. A 180 Michelin may not be the same as a 180 Pirelli !! and also the aspect ratio can make a difference too. Quote
CockneyRick Posted January 25, 2019 Posted January 25, 2019 I wouldn't go less than 4mm, & as said different rubber makes a difference. Always found Pirelli/Dunlop as the least wide options. Quote
wraith Posted January 25, 2019 Posted January 25, 2019 Not the same but the same on my Kat, using a gsxr 5.5" rear rim I ended up going for a 520 pitch chain to get the extra clearance, I found a 530 chain would just touch the frame when the shock was depressed when riding. (My kat has a oilcooled motor in it) 1 Quote
CockneyRick Posted January 25, 2019 Posted January 25, 2019 As above, both my EFE & Yoshi run 520 c&s kits 1 Quote
Ibbo Posted January 25, 2019 Author Posted January 25, 2019 I may have to go 520 eventually then. Guess I can stick at 170 for now. Quote
Ibbo Posted January 26, 2019 Author Posted January 26, 2019 6.75 mm clearance between chain and tyre. Need another 3mm clearance then ideally to get a 180 on. I was fancying a set of the pilot road tyres as a good all round road tyre. Is anyone using the latest ones? Quote
Reinhoud Posted January 26, 2019 Posted January 26, 2019 https://www.Eblag.com.au/itm/Adly-Herchee-Canyon-320-25-Zoll-D-CAT-Dot-Laser-Chain-Alignment-Tool/302687401901?hash=item46799337ad:g:2u4AAOSwsGlavR~k:rk:44:pf:0 Not sure if you and how you aligned your sprockets, but something like this is the only way to measure propperly, you put this on the front sprocket, because your rear sprocket can go on an angle and that screws up your alignment. When I did mine I did it with strings and long pieces of timber, thought I did a good job, till I changed the rear fork bearings and deceided to have a check with that laser thingy, turned out it was out by over 5mm Quote
CockneyRick Posted January 27, 2019 Posted January 27, 2019 Haha Should have known better. Timber warps! I used a box section steel rod clamped to front sprocket & line up to the rear. And also if the "rear sprocket" is on at an angle, what you really mean is the "Wheel" is not properly aligned. Highly unlikely the sprocket is on at an angle, unless you really shouldn't be let near tools 1 Quote
Reinhoud Posted January 28, 2019 Posted January 28, 2019 21 hours ago, CockneyRick said: Haha Should have known better. Timber warps! I used a box section steel rod clamped to front sprocket & line up to the rear. And also if the "rear sprocket" is on at an angle, what you really mean is the "Wheel" is not properly aligned. Highly unlikely the sprocket is on at an angle, unless you really shouldn't be let near tools I'm not even going to comment on this... 1 Quote
Ibbo Posted January 28, 2019 Author Posted January 28, 2019 On 1/26/2019 at 11:03 PM, Reinhoud said: https://www.Eblag.com.au/itm/Adly-Herchee-Canyon-320-25-Zoll-D-CAT-Dot-Laser-Chain-Alignment-Tool/302687401901?hash=item46799337ad:g:2u4AAOSwsGlavR~k:rk:44:pf:0 Not sure if you and how you aligned your sprockets, but something like this is the only way to measure propperly, you put this on the front sprocket, because your rear sprocket can go on an angle and that screws up your alignment. When I did mine I did it with strings and long pieces of timber, thought I did a good job, till I changed the rear fork bearings and deceided to have a check with that laser thingy, turned out it was out by over 5mm I used a bit of straight bar, 5mm x 25 mm ish. Laser seems worth a spin though to check. The bike rides straight enough, and chains can run quute a bit out of line. 1 Quote
Reinhoud Posted January 29, 2019 Posted January 29, 2019 13 hours ago, Ibbo said: I used a bit of straight bar, 5mm x 25 mm ish. Laser seems worth a spin though to check. The bike rides straight enough, and chains can run quute a bit out of line. Steel bar isn't always straight, you have to check that before use.. My bikes ride was alright, but the chain didn't run straight, not sure how important that is, and what the tolerances are, but if you can get it straight, I would do it.. Thing is, with a long piece of bar on the sprocket it's easy to misagline, not saying it will, but with some length on it you don't need much to go out of line.. Quote
CockneyRick Posted January 29, 2019 Posted January 29, 2019 That's why i said Box Section. Much less chance it's gonna be bent. And if you do it properly, then it will be aligned! Quote
Ibbo Posted February 9, 2019 Author Posted February 9, 2019 Bought a timing light, reset the ignition that was a few degrees out. It's still kicking back on start up. Any ideas? Plus my cover doesn't fit properly, but the gasket does. The bottom bolt doesn't line up with the one on the crankcase. The engine no starts gs1100x if that helps. Quote
Gixer1460 Posted February 9, 2019 Posted February 9, 2019 Wouldn't GS1100X denote a GSX cover not a GS one? I wonder if someone swapped in a later GSX 1100 ign. system inc. ecu after a tumble damaged the GS parts - could have different ign. timing - that's my only guess? Quote
Ibbo Posted February 9, 2019 Author Posted February 9, 2019 (edited) Hi Gixer1460, It is a gsx1100 motor, with dyna ignition. I'm not sure what the cover is though. Edited February 9, 2019 by Ibbo Spell check error Quote
Gixer1460 Posted February 9, 2019 Posted February 9, 2019 2 hours ago, Ibbo said: Hi Gixer1460, It is a gsx1100 motor, with dyna ignition. I'm not sure what the cover is though. LOL! Then it could be a GS cover ! Quote
Ibbo Posted February 9, 2019 Author Posted February 9, 2019 Did wonder if there was some expert would spot what cover it was. The gasket is gsx and fits.. Quote
kiwi Posted February 10, 2019 Posted February 10, 2019 say what now!? 1460 is 100% right gs + gsx ignition covers 10 mm bottom hole difference, so he wins the Gold star of the day. Quote
Gixer1460 Posted February 10, 2019 Posted February 10, 2019 I only guessed that as I used a GS sprocket cover on my EFE drag motor and all but one bolt lined up so had plenty ! Quote
Ibbo Posted February 11, 2019 Author Posted February 11, 2019 One mystery solved any way. I've re wired the kill switch so the starter is live when ignition on, so I can spin the starter, then put the ignition on. hopefully that will stop the kick back. Now just need a new clutch hub, as the splines are worn on that. I only wanted to put some heavier clutch springs in. 1 Quote
stretch Posted February 11, 2019 Posted February 11, 2019 Hope you get this mess sussed out, I wanna see more pics of this beast in action! Quote
Ibbo Posted February 12, 2019 Author Posted February 12, 2019 Hi stretch, Hub ordered. Hopefully by the weekend it will be up and running again. 1 Quote
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