Did my bottom end let go?

[Mole28]

Inlet rubbers and you will have to do a minor re-plumb on the rocker cover breather. Make sure not to mix up the clutch push rods. leave them in the engines they came from.

[CockneyRick]

The wife?  

[Blubber]

4 hours ago, Maxxii said:

Good to know thanks for the info! Is there anything else I should think about swapping? 

GF / BF / Mother in law / House / Job.....  ? 

[Maxxii]

6 hours ago, Mole28 said:

Inlet rubbers and you will have to do a minor re-plumb on the rocker cover breather. Make sure not to mix up the clutch push rods. leave them in the engines they came from.

Yeah, I assumed the inlet rubbers would have to come back over for the correct carb fitment. 

[Maxxii]

4 hours ago, CockneyRick said:

The wife?  

Single, sir. No wife to nag me to sell the bikes.

[Maxxii]

2 hours ago, Blubber said:

GF / BF / Mother in law / House / Job.....  ? 

I do have to get a better appartement and job ! Anyone hiring? 

[Maxxii]

21 hours ago, clivegto said:

Sump for oil cooler pipes & may be exhaust clearance. Some ignition pick ups have 1 pick up some have 2. If there the same no need to swap. No need to swap the cdi so long as you have he right ignition pick ups.

Instead of swapping the ignition pickups, could I use the gsxr harness, CDI box and stuff? Or is there a benefit to using the 1 or 2 pickups? 

[clivegto]

Why swap all the electrics when you only need to swap the pick ups IF they are different.

[Maxxii]

48 minutes ago, clivegto said:

Why swap all the electrics when you only need to swap the pick ups IF they are different.

Swapping the electrics is easy for me. I have never seen the pickups. And I'm worried about oil leaks from opening the cover and closing it. 

 

Also, I just realized I don't know any of the torque specs. Not for engine mounts, exhaust headers, case screws... Anyone have a chart? 

Edited June 1, 2018 by Maxxii

[Gixer1460]

FFS - get a manual and use it! They are available free online if you search!

[Maxxii]

18 minutes ago, Gixer1460 said:

FFS - get a manual and use it! They are available free online if you search!

Gonna google it now. 

[Maxxii]

So I've got both engines out of the bikes. Can anyone sugest the best way to get an engine back in the bike alone? 

To take it out, I loosened all of the bolts holding the engine, then laid the bike on its side, and sort of shook the engine out of the bike. 

[Gixer1460]

Yep - apparently that's the way! I always bribed a M8 with beer.............upright and easier with two!

[Maxxii]

update: got the engine back in the bike.

I made a quick pair of A frame stands, and à barbell across them. Rigged up a pully system, tied a cradle around the engine and hoisted it up through the frame. Then with some wiggling, and grunting, help from my dad, and a car jack, I managed to get her in. 

When I took down the clutch on the gsxr engine, I found that the clutch basket was pretty badly grooved. 

I'll be swapping the clutch baskets tomorrow. 

Everything else seems to have fit perfectly. 

Also, I don't know exactly how it's all connected, but when I spin the inner clutch basket ring on the bandit engine, it's very hard to turn and grindy. But on the gsxr clutch basket, it spins smoothly with little to no resistance is that the transmission I'm spinning? Or is it the crank? There are no spark plugs in either engine yet. 

If spinning the inner basket on the bandit motor in neutral with the plugs out is really difficult, does that mean that my problem is something to do with the crank? 

Before I took the bandit engine out, I did a compression test and got ~150 psi on every cylinder. So I don't think it's the rings. 

[Captain Chaos]

the outer basket is connected to the crankshaft, the inner basket to the transmission. Inner basket should spin freely with transmission in neutral and no clutch plates installed.

If the inner basket spins freely with the clutch nut slightly loose, it could be a missing spacer or something like that. If it doesn't, could be a gearbox problem.

[Maxxii]

15 hours ago, Captain Chaos said:

the outer basket is connected to the crankshaft, the inner basket to the transmission. Inner basket should spin freely with transmission in neutral and no clutch plates installed.

If the inner basket spins freely with the clutch nut slightly loose, it could be a missing spacer or something like that. If it doesn't, could be a gearbox problem.

I see. Once I get it further into her I'll have a better idea. But there's another problem. Clutch basket on the bandit has angle cut gears, and the gsxr has straight cut gears. 

Is there anything I can do to swap the gears from one basket to another? 

[Maxxii]

Bingo!!! 

Checked the same gear on the gsxr. It's not a match. So I can't just swap that gear. 

[Maxxii]

Last update for the night:

I put the gsxr outer basket(with the straight cut gears) back in the gsxr engine(which is in the bandit frame. 

I put the bandit inner basket(the dark gray one in the pictures above) in the gsxr because it's in much better condition. I double checked the washer/spacer orders, and torqued them both down. 

I put the clutch pack back in, added the top plate, springs and bolts, and torqued them down too. 

Before I put the side cover back on, I want to check which of the push rods is the right one. The difference in size is a couple of mm but I want to make sure I have the right one. Someone had already commented telling me not to mix them up.... I mixed them up.. 

So I tried putting the chain guard from the bandit engine back on, but it's sitting funny. It's got the spacers both in the right spot, but I ran out of sunlight so I had to put everything away.

Just before I closed up shop, I scrubbed the chain guard clean so I could get a good look at what's wrong. So tomorrow, that's job number 1.

Then I button everything back up, add oil, throw on the carbs, redo all of the electrical, and see if she starts! 

(and hopefully doesn't blow up ) 

 

Wish me luck.