Different types of Harris frames pics wanted

[FJD]

Hi, i aquired a Harris or replica frame and would like to find what i have, as the seller doesn´t know (me neither).

Got no papers, there is no frame number.

He thinks, it might have been for a Kwak engine, but not sure.

Can you provide Pics/infos on the different frame generations ?

[FJD]

this is how it looks like

 

[vizman]

looks like a mag2

[Gixer1460]

looks like a mag2

It does but the tubing arrangement around the headstock seems wrong, some of the tubes seem a bit 'wimpy' and weren't tube swingers standard at the time? Rounded box section is a bit out of the ordinary!

Reference the picture for comparison

[vizman]

my mag2 had a square section arm....but as you say I think most of the standardish mag2s I've seen had tubed swingers

[vizman]

my mag2 also looked a bit weedy on the side tubes but had the same mounts as it had a harris fairing on.

[FJD]

In Austria we had a few people/companies making replica frames like Bene, Bredl (Predl ?), Hauer etc.

It might be one of these replicas, but i don´t know for sure.

So you guys think, it is inspired by a Magnum 2 ?

 

[fatblokeonbandit]

My mag 2, I couldn't find a frame number either until I scraped all the old paint off the head stock and there it was, HP and 3 digits looked like a 3 year old had stamped it!!!!!!

once it was powder coated I couldn't read it so I got an ally plate with it stamped on and fixed it on..

 

I was told the mark 1's don't have the 2 fairing fixings on the bottom rail on the side, and mark 2's do..

 

 

 

 

[FJD]

on the headstock - i see a cross bracing on the Harris frames, mine doesn´t have the short upper tube

[vizman]

you could specify any tweaks when you ordered from harris new....but they were grumpy about it, so some frames were [probably] inevitably modified after purchase.

[SiBag]

Looks like a Mag I because of the tabs on the side rails.

All the Harris frames should have a HP number stamped on the headstock.

I think the main difference to the Mag I and Mag II were its clothes, the tank on the Mag I came down to the rails for the seat.

Edited August 28, 2015 by SiBag

[vizman]

oh maybe mine was a mag1.....it was so shit and so long ago I've kinda forgotten about its details.....it was sold to me as a mag2 but I was young and foolisher

[SiBag]

Its all a bit of a guessing game ‌Vizman whether its a 2 or a 1.

My Mag looks like a 2 it has 2 type tank and fairings etc. But according to the frame No and the Harris records its a Mag I

[Dezza]

It's a Magnum 1, and a fairly early one at that. As FBOAB says, the fairing mounts on the side rails on the Magnum 1 have welded on brackets whereas on the Magnum 2 there are two re-inforced threaded holes each side. The frame number may be invisible until the paint is scraped. You will have to do a bike version of what Damien Thorn's (adoptive) dad did in 'The Omen' to reveal the 666 birthmark on his scalp.

 

What is very interesting is the swingarm as it doesn't have eccentric adjusters, suggesting it is an early model. The swingarm is made by Harris though as it has the lugs to mount the stone guard. I am guessing it will be 1981 or maybe even earlier. When you find the number, Harris can tell you wwhen the frame was made.

[fatblokeonbandit]

Mines first reg october 1983 and says magnum 2 on th v5. And the frame number is HP with a 3 didgit number in the mid 480's

[kiwi]

Headstock numbers are stamped on left side (as told by Harris) i have marked your picture where to look, but like Gary says they are sh*t stamped as my reg doc says hf 5 then 2 letters but harris have confirmed they're HP and numbers and stated manu year is wrong on v5c (got to remember to get it altered), also the lower horizontal frame originally on mag 1 did have the upright bracket but was changed to 2 bushes before  introduction off the mag 2, and the tank shape is/was totally different on both models (you'll know which model if you have a tank).

Most tanks are altered nowadays to the scalloped mag 4 shape to allow for bigger carbs or Turbo's.

Only Harris can tell you the true identity and which engine originally and year made but they need frame numbers, plus you'll have to wait a little as they are busy with other products.

 

Edited August 30, 2015 by kiwi
i have

[kiwi]

And IMO certainly looks like a Harris Mag frame but if not it's a very good copy

[Guest YoshiJohnny]

Harris is now owned by Royal Enfield, so expect loads of cheap frame kits from India in the near future yaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyy

 

YJ

[FJD]

will have to wait till i get the frame to check for a number, but the (still)-owner sanded down headstock and could not find anything, that´s why he believes it is a replica.

will keep you updated

[grebo]

The back end where the battery box fits is a ringer for mine

Have a look at the joints they should look like this.

I've seen the tabs for the fairings and also the small tubes for the fairing mounts on the front down tubes before,In fact I seem to remember one being built on the original OSS site ,it was a  red frame .If the bronze welds are the same I'd say Mag1

At first I thought the swingarm was Motomartin but they are round tube going to rectangular adjusters on mine anyway.There is a rectangular section arm on bay at moment for CBX variant but it don't match that either. As previously mentioned the centre bit where the tabs are is magnum,I also think this is original and early.I'd have a punt on it

Edited August 31, 2015 by grebo
pictures not turned out

[grebo]

battery box mounts

[Jimbo]

Looks like its based on a Mag 2 and 4 but home made ...

This is my Mag 4 frame

 

[FJD]

got the frame by now, and it has no numbers on headstock.

joints are all brazed - very nice work.

Still think it is a replica - but a good one !

Will have to check which engine i slot in, i have a 350 S2 kicking around, or maybe an FJ1200 ?

[busa ash]

Or maybe a old skool suzuki engine as your on a suzuki based  forum 

[FJD]

only have a few GSXR/GSF engines kicking around - that´s too new for this frame me thinks.

My GS1000S will keep it´s engine