gorbys Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 (edited) My engine has rattled pretty loud so I started on the process of replacing the clutch basket springs but when I got the cover off and removed the worn springs this is what I was greeted with. Now can I just put it back together with new springs and send it or is this gonna be an issue? I'm bought a set of springs and studs from suzuki performance parts. Edited May 30, 2023 by gorbys Quote Link to comment
TLRS Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 Interesting question.. How much of an angle do the springs have in the worst pockets? And how hard of a life do you give them. Is this for a streetbike, what state of tune.. any (drag) racing? Quote Link to comment
gorbys Posted May 21, 2023 Author Share Posted May 21, 2023 Streetbike. Stock 1074cc engine with pods, exhaust and a dynojet kit. My intentions for it is to ride it and give it a good trashing on the backroads and mountains from time to time 1 Quote Link to comment
TLRS Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 What does your gut say? Not sure if you really risk anything with it. But the noise would bother me. Could mask other noises and be just annoying to live with. Quote Link to comment
coombehouse Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 I would get in there with a Dremel & blend them in a little to remove the high spots as that's the best you can do. It used to be normal practice to replace the outer plate with a billet item too as the standard plate was prone to flex. Doesn't seem to be done so much these days. Quote Link to comment
gorbys Posted May 22, 2023 Author Share Posted May 22, 2023 5 hours ago, TLRS said: What does your gut say? Not sure if you really risk anything with it. But the noise would bother me. Could mask other noises and be just annoying to live with. My gut says there's isn't much to do about it, I guess someone could weld it but it would have to be machined afterwards I guess. I can't buy a new one since they're nla and even if I could I couldn't afford it at the moment. If I buy a second hand one there's no guarantee it doesn't have the exact same problems. Do you think it's gonna rattle even with new stiffer springs? 5 hours ago, coombehouse said: I would get in there with a Dremel & blend them in a little to remove the high spots as that's the best you can do. It used to be normal practice to replace the outer plate with a billet item too as the standard plate was prone to flex. Doesn't seem to be done so much these days. I've read about that, I even saw a picture of the thin one on the flying banana website or whatever its called. But mine is thicker than the 2mm quoted on there. Quote Link to comment
Arttu Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 I'm pretty sure that all the used baskets look more or less like that. Unless it's almost unused... I would just blend the worst spots with a dremel or something similar. It shouldn't rattle with new springs. Quote Link to comment
gorbys Posted May 22, 2023 Author Share Posted May 22, 2023 Well.... Seems I don't have to worry anymore about this one... Cracked as we pressed in the new studs.... Quote Link to comment
gorbys Posted May 22, 2023 Author Share Posted May 22, 2023 Yeah. Managed to get a second hand one but yeah. It's got the same loose springs so I'm gonna have to do it all again but I'm not changing the studs now. Just swap the springs and weld it up.... Quote Link to comment
Duckndive Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 11 hours ago, gorbys said: Well.... Seems I don't have to worry anymore about this one... Cracked as we pressed in the new studs.... I think you mean rivets .."The ones you can buy are usually slightly oversize and you need to ream the holes for best fit " 1 Quote Link to comment
gorbys Posted May 23, 2023 Author Share Posted May 23, 2023 6 hours ago, Duckndive said: I think you mean rivets .."The ones you can buy are usually slightly oversize and you need to ream the holes for best fit " Yeah wish I knew that before, wasn't mentioned when I bought the kit and didn't come with any instructions or mentions of the fact. Quote Link to comment
rodneya Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 Those kits are also available with two different size rivets 1 Quote Link to comment
gorbys Posted May 25, 2023 Author Share Posted May 25, 2023 On 5/24/2023 at 2:54 AM, rodneya said: Those kits are also available with two different size rivets Might be, wasn't any mention of it on the kit I bought. Quote Link to comment
rodneya Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 4 hours ago, gorbys said: Might be, wasn't any mention of it on the kit I bought. Quote Link to comment
gorbys Posted May 25, 2023 Author Share Posted May 25, 2023 16 minutes ago, rodneya said: That's not the kit I bought. Quote Link to comment
gorbys Posted May 30, 2023 Author Share Posted May 30, 2023 Bringing this back again now that I got a new second hand one, I've replaced the springs, there's no slack. But still it rattles. I noticed when I assembled it that there was considerable slack back and forth on the clutch hub sleeve, you could move it on the axle. So I'm thinking this might be where the rattle is coming from? I see you can still buy these so I assume it's a wear item? When rocking it back and fort I hear the same sort of high pitched pings that I hear with the engine running Quote Link to comment
Arttu Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 Not sure if it should be called as a wear item but yes, the splines on the hub can wear loose over time. There are two versions of the hub. Earlier is full aluminium and more prone to spline wear. Later one has steel insert in the center so it doesn't wear that easily. But sometimes the insert can get loose which naturally will cause quite significant rattle. 1 Quote Link to comment
Gixer1460 Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 3 hours ago, Arttu said: Later one has steel insert in the center so it doesn't wear that easily. But sometimes the insert can get loose which naturally will cause quite significant rattle. Got one sitting here with exactly that problem - minimal plate tooth wear on the actual hub, but steel insert is loose with visible gaps! Quote Link to comment
gorbys Posted June 1, 2023 Author Share Posted June 1, 2023 3 hours ago, Gixer1460 said: Got one sitting here with exactly that problem - minimal plate tooth wear on the actual hub, but steel insert is loose with visible gaps! Thats what I saw on mine, there's visible gaps between the teeth when it's mounted on the axle shaft. I've ordered a new one but it's about a 14 day delivery time. I just hope that's the end of it, but why my luck.... We'll see... Quote Link to comment
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